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When an SR-71 Blackbird is at Mach 3, how hot is the airframe? A: At speeds of Mach 3 (3 times the speed of sound) the SR- 71 Blackbird's airframe temperature can range from 315-480 degrees Celcius (600-900 degrees Farenheit), depending on its altitude.
The thing to remember here is the Expansion of the airframe.
As the plane sits on the ground, it leaks fuel. As soon as it is in the air, it is refueled. Then when it is At Speed it expands and all the gaps close up...

With that in mind, maybe the failures being reported are because the gap is shrinking during the run time there by causing more friction then expected.
 

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Thanks, I look forward to the result's of next weekend's testing, look's to be a strong runner, especially considering the manner in which it authoritatively pulled the full comp 36"! I love experimentation, trying something outside ones comfort zone, sometimes yields impressive "new" ideas and/or methods. Not qualified to comment technically, but appreciate your effort and sharing...
Thanks. I’m still enjoying the hobby/art.

We all learn from each other. I was simply commenting earlier that the comments are a reason why many don’t post build threads anymore.

@Time's Standing Stihl was not meant to be singled out. Clint is a great guy, I met him at Randy’s. Honest and generous, he gave us an oem 066 bearing when we were in a time of need.

Anyway, I’ll post my findings. It’s making me a bit nuts.

This saw is anything but fuel efficient, but it’s also very powerful for what it is. And all at 150 psi. Who says that one needs high comp to be a runner. This saw proves it’s not everything, but I also wonder if the chamber design is delaying chamber temps till it revs a bit-and that’s what is making it tough to tune.

For my own build, it’s gonna be 30 from the band and 45 off the piston with no chamber cut.
 

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I think at WOT the saw was fluctuating a bit at high RPM piss rev.
It did seem fine in the cut and ran strong.
 

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Doc, I am confused on what you are saying about the carb. Are you saying you cannot make the saw rich enough for your liking?
It's odd Joey. I planned on a fuel line change as i gouged the new OEM one on assembly, but I pressure and Vac checked it before use.

The saw wont hold High tune piss revving. It will go to a certain rpm for a second or two, then scream. But this is tunable, if I richen it up, it will do the same, but increase in rpm to a lower point.

In the vid, I set it to 13800. If I held it, it would stay there for 1-2 sec, then steadily rise to 14600 and stay there. If I tune the H to temporarily hit 14500, the saw will maintain for a second, then scream-I et off the trigger at 15800 and it was still 4 stroking then.

At richer/lower settings, it will jump in rpm and then stay there. At leaner/faster settings, I had to let off the trigger cause its a new build and just kept climbing.

So, I first swapped choke shafts and put in a new HD50 from the box. No change.

Next, I drilled the jet in the 17b with a #70 bit. Same deal.

Next, raised metering lever around .050 over flush. Idle isues, saw seemed fatter, same deal again.

The H needle was only 3/4 out at that point, so its not the jetting.

I just dont know if the big chamber with the sharp edges is taking longer to heat up?

The two sharpest edges by the plug opening arent in reality, because they touch the plug when it's in.

Next plan is reset the Metering lever around .010 over flush, check the 17b carb screen, replace the line and filter.

I will pull the jug and blend after. Too much at once won't teach me anything.

It's frustrating to say the least.
 

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It's odd Joey. I planned on a fuel line change as i gouged the new OEM one on assembly, but I pressure and Vac checked it before use.

The saw wont hold High tune piss revving. It will go to a certain rpm for a second or two, then scream. But this is tunable, if I richen it up, it will do the same, but increase in rpm to a lower point.

In the vid, I set it to 13800. If I held it, it would stay there for 1-2 sec, then steadily rise to 14600 and stay there. If I tune the H to temporarily hit 14500, the saw will maintain for a second, then scream-I et off the trigger at 15800 and it was still 4 stroking then.

At richer/lower settings, it will jump in rpm and then stay there. At leaner/faster settings, I had to let off the trigger cause its a new build and just kept climbing.

So, I first swapped choke shafts and put in a new HD50 from the box. No change.

Next, I drilled the jet in the 17b with a #70 bit. Same deal.

Next, raised metering lever around .050 over flush. Idle isues, saw seemed fatter, same deal again.

The H needle was only 3/4 out at that point, so its not the jetting.

I just dont know if the big chamber with the sharp edges is taking longer to heat up?

The two sharpest edges by the plug opening arent in reality, because they touch the plug when it's in.

Next plan is reset the Metering lever around .010 over flush, check the 17b carb screen, replace the line and filter.

I will pull the jug and blend after. Too much at once won't teach me anything.

It's frustrating to say the least.
The intake boot is good on the saw right? Just a possibility. Holds idle rpm in all positions? My 044 did exactly this when I first got it and it was a stiff diaphragm in carb. But sounds like it isn’t the carbs for you. Small air leak?
 
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What is the possibility this is a Coil / Timing issue?
Maybe the advancement is changing?
I just had a coil retard bad enough recently the saw ran backwards when started lol.
 

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The coil is achieving some high RPMs. I thought bad coils kept the RPMs low? Coil prevented the saw from getting into the higher RPM zone?
 

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The coil is achieving some high RPMs. I thought bad coils kept the RPMs low? Coil prevented the saw from getting into the higher RPM zone?
Some saws have limited coils to a certain rpm and others are unlimited.
 

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He did state saw was revving to 15800. I don't know. Just thinking outloud.
I think it is more fuel related. Would be nice if Doc had another Hybrid on-hand that was done to normal specs with compression, etc to double check the carbs right away to rule things out. Cut down on the variables and unknown speculation.
 

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Great thread Al, thanks for taking time to share with us!
Hope you get the piss rev problem solved soon, it’s a head scratcher for sure.
Almost seems you can rule the carb out as it happens the same with several, however it does sound fuel related.
 

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The Hybrids seem to be very finicky with the carb they prefer.
 

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Just some info that I put together from talking to Walbro tech.
Jet sizes for 044/046 carbs.
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