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Seems like FT is having a 30% off sale, which is the max I have seen them do, on the saws. They seem to do 15%, 20% and now and then 30%.

The look of some of the saws has changed, and they are calling them "gen 3".

Anyone know what changes have been made? (I think they made them ugly!)
 

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I bought an OEM stihl decomp and the cap popped off first time i started the saw. I have tried JB weld, epoxy and a few other things and both saws pop them off soomer or later. A guy tried to start the 361 without using the decomp and he said the saw was locked up LOL. I have to press the decomp in everytime i pull the rope. The decomp pops up even if the saw does not fire. I am no pro logger just a weekend wood mangler but i have never seen another 60cc saw run like the hopped up 361 i built. I have a couple guys wanting me to build them 361 kits like the one i have but i don't need the warranty headache. I will try the PL thing and see how that works.
 

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If the saw is too hard to pull over, maybe the timing is too advanced, or your carb may be leaking a bit causing hydro lock.

If there is fluid in the crankcase, it is near impossible to turn over.
 
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It is not hydro locking and it will pop the decomp when you pull the rope with it in the stop position. Saw has a big bore kit with gasket delete and runs a little over 200 psi. It pulls a 25 inch bar without a problem. It does run a little hot. I run red armor at 32:1 with regular 87 gas. It may not live a long life but for what i have in it not a big deal. The best fun is cutting with guys with 290 farm boss saws and out cutting them 2 or 3 to 1 with the 361 or bucking 25 inch ash with the 660 in about 15 seconds and they take a couple minutes. Yup Chinese junk.
 

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Seems like FT is having a 30% off sale, which is the max I have seen them do, on the saws. They seem to do 15%, 20% and now and then 30%.

The look of some of the saws has changed, and they are calling them "gen 3".

Anyone know what changes have been made? (I think they made them ugly!)
Everything in the 660 kit appears to be the same. I'm just po they installed the seals on this one. Tons of shavings in the bearings... as usual. I've noticed some saws are now stocked in the US.
 

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I got mine from the website stateside but the price has gone up about $30 in the last couple weeks. I got them in 2 days.
 
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On the 660's the as delivered bearing and seals held up fine. I had a crank failure but really not sure if it was the crank or another victim of another brand of Aftermarket cylinders, not FT's btw. And the only failure of the 660cases came from accelerated corrosion, not a running , material, or geometry related issue. So a lot of money is spent on those 660 that really doesn't have to happen for the 13'000 rpm "no load" work saw builds in my humble opinion. Add RPM's... Most of my builds like to sit "no load" ( for reference tuning , not in the cut ) around 13500 and I still am comfortably in their reliability zone apparently as none have failed. Typically massaged intake filter holder, muffler mods, massaged lower transfers, compression around 180-185 and some with finger ports, all survived so far. Go further than that type of build, a better crank would make sense possibly.

On the 372's. I rattled one apart with an OEM crank as well. It has nothing to do with the AM bearings. The AM cranks with that "slot" in the connecting rod are simply not up to the task of a leaned on 372 build. Especially ones with heavier than 50mm OE pistons. So Xt's builds on those are hand grenades in my opinion for real work. Cases too are not up to the task but the bearings are surprisingly tough, in fact I have never seen a Farmertec bearing fail in any build from 2014 to now. As I said, every leaned on 372 class build I did on the Aftermarket cases, every one had the pto bearing pocket open up. Again that's not a bearing failure in fact in one instance I pulled the bearings out and reused them for kicks in a saw build on OEM cases.....its still out there making chips. So in my most humble opinion for most hobby even work saw builds, expensive bearing and seal options on Farmertec 660 or 372 builds are a waste of money unless other factors intrude like high RPM's. Subbing in a better crank makes sense on 660's if your build is going to be a higher RPM than the 13K "test no load" setup. Twist them past 13500 and a better crank probably is required. AND leaned on 372 build starting from and AM source, and a better set of cases and crank is almost mandatory. Used OEM is way better than a new Chicom 372 bottom end anything. I don't have any experience on the 440's and limited on 361 & 360's.
Thanks for explaining your results. I never doubt info MM gives because he really knows his saws but I saw the previous answer you gave and it confused me. That is a bummer your saws acted up.
 

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"Real world use "is a subjective saying to me. When you get half your saws from a scrap yard they are generally from a logging company, which could be considered "real world use" . Beat bearing pockets, scored and peeled top ends ,you name it they have it! all oem.
Ever been at a garge where someone has a 3' pipe on a wrench? And the Snap on truck is there every week? Thats real world use, those guys buy the best because they know there going to abuse the pizz out of it!
The farmer next door to me has an 026 pro thats probably never been cleaned and he runs the bar so loose it beats the end of the bar into a dog bone shape ,but that saw runs good. The same maintenance schedule in the logging world would have been a short life.
If you ever seen a professional squeeze the rear handle towards the top handle because the boot is torn and they need to drop the last tree for the loader ,thats the real world.
 

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Cut 3 cords of wood with the ft and you've more than broke even.
For 238.20 for my FT 440 kit, I more than broke even!!! Crushed my stock 440 I have owned since new in 2007 and it needs everything except case, piston and cylinder and carb. The 440 looked like a total loss! Put on the FT flywheel, starter, all plastics, clutch cover, handle, AV and bought new OEM fuel, impulse and boot. Saw looks like new and runs like it always has. If I priced just what I used out of the kit at Stihl I bet it would have been upwards of $500. I still have a box full of FT parts that could build another saw and I am going to price out what Farmertec wants for the kit parts I used. Ooh and my Stihl 440 I bought new for $719.95 with b&c has literally made me $1000s of dollars. Logged with it for awhile and cut tons of firewood. I have a yard full of "24 pine trees and oaks that are on the ground and going to get cut up. If you are having problems with a Stihl pro saw then likely you are the problem. Very happy with Farmertec and buying Stihl pro saws...Stihl parts prices are insane.
 

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For 238.20 for my FT 440 kit, I more than broke even!!! Crushed my stock 440 I have owned since new in 2007 and it needs everything except case, piston and cylinder and carb. The 440 looked like a total loss! Put on the FT flywheel, starter, all plastics, clutch cover, handle, AV and bought new OEM fuel, impulse and boot. Saw looks like new and runs like it always has. If I priced just what I used out of the kit at Stihl I bet it would have been upwards of $500. I still have a box full of FT parts that could build another saw and I am going to price out what Farmertec wants for the kit parts I used. Ooh and my Stihl 440 I bought new for $719.95 with b&c has literally made me $1000s of dollars. Logged with it for awhile and cut tons of firewood. I have a yard full of "24 pine trees and oaks that are on the ground and going to get cut up. If you are having problems with a Stihl pro saw then likely you are the problem. Very happy with Farmertec and buying Stihl pro saws...Stihl parts prices are insane.
A Stihl 440 tank, 3/4 wrap, a/v bit, clutch drum, and drum bearing is ~$340. Ask me how I know.....
 

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If the saw is too hard to pull over, maybe the timing is too advanced, or your carb may be leaking a bit causing hydro lock.

If there is fluid in the crankcase, it is near impossible to turn over.
Mr.MjustangMike...got my 440 all up and running and looking good. Dealt with some Mickey mouse stuff. Put 2 cycle <(Lucas semi) on the crank, case etc in my leftover parts. WD 40 is good to clean bearings but leaves a residue so afterwards I put Lucas on the bearings. WD 40 is not good to use on skateboard and fishing reel bearings and such because the protective residue can cause drag etc. ...so they say. Thanks for your help and info and I will stop pestering you and go cut wood. Probably Lucas leaves residue too or promotes mold or something.
 

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Mr.MjustangMike...got my 440 all up and running and looking good. Dealt with some Mickey mouse stuff. Put 2 cycle <(Lucas semi) on the crank, case etc in my leftover parts. WD 40 is good to clean bearings but leaves a residue so afterwards I put Lucas on the bearings. WD 40 is not good to use on skateboard and fishing reel bearings and such because the protective residue can cause drag etc. ...so they say. Thanks for your help and info and I will stop pestering you and go cut wood. Probably Lucas leaves residue too or promotes mold or something.
I coat my bearings with amsoil Saber after cleaning with dawn dish soap then WD.
Lucas makes some ok products and some absolutely junk products like their motorcycle chain lube. Decided to just use WD on my dirt bike chains. The lucas attracts dirt and tarnishes everything it sticks to. The whole chain lube business is like selling snake oil. Clean em with WD and run it. Non o ring chains I'd dip in gear oil and clean off the excess.
 

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You are not pestering me, I love hearing about good saws being brought back to life! I brough several 460s back to life with AM parts, and the owners love them. One even has a AM cylinder and Meteor piston.

My 044 was my only saw for 18 years, they are one of the best! The 044/440 were my favorite "all around" saw for decades, until the 462 finally came along.
 

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A Stihl 440 tank, 3/4 wrap, a/v bit, clutch drum, and drum bearing is ~$340. Ask me how I know.....
Yeah, my love for the MS441 is PAINFUL with no aftermarket support except p/c kits ( which are sketchy) . I'm always sourcing parts for them at not completely insane prices.
 
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