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it's expected to last for two sharpening's(?!).

But no more rotating the round file around to find the sweet spot to get a last sharpening or two...

You have to wonder what length chain they are basing "two sharpenings" on because I imagine the files will be stupid expensive at first

Sharpen a 20" loop twice and pitch the file?

Pass

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I guess time will tell if this is a revolutionary mash up of good ideas or a gimmick…

You (insert name here) go first


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Stihl files and Pferd don't last long in my experience. Lately the Oregons have been very good, I get several sharpenings. Sometimes they feel like they are going dull, then start filing well again. Maybe it is the file cleaning itself out somehow, or the cutters wearing down to sharp again somehow.
 

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You have to wonder how long it will take for the other file manufacturers to get on board with this and come out with their version

I see it as a one horse race for a while as they sit back and gauge interest

I can also see that keeping the prices for the existing files high, and if the "sharpens 2 chains" part is accurate...

$$$

YMMV
 

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Looks like it's primary purpose is ease of sharpening without a guide, where it takes the variability of the height of a bare round file in the cutter completely out of the equation. With a round file used with a guide it's not an issue anyway...

The hexa file only has two useable sides and I think it was stated in one of the videos or writeups that it's expected to last for two sharpening's(?!). At least, unlike a bevel/square file, wiping out the corners isn't a big deal.
But no more rotating the round file around to find the sweet spot to get a last sharpening or two...

Despite it's appearance, I really don't believe that there's any relationship at all to bevel/square chain.

I don't see there being much of any cutting performance improvement over round filing and in effect it's pretty much what you end up with "round" grinding. With a round file the underside of the top cutting edge gets radiused ("hollow ground") where with a grinder it goes straight in and depending on the wheel radius can leave a flat surface.
So the only difference from grinding to hexa is the angular profile on the side plate which to me seems fairly inconsequential to the cutting performance and could easily enough be duplicated anyway with an appropriately profiled wheel if desired.

So it may hold up a bit better than (similarly angled) round filed because the radiused round filed edge is by definition more delicate but then seems hexa would also be slightly slower.

A while back I bought a 288 from a logger and noticed the chain cutters had a profile very similar to the hexa.
I inquired and he told me he had been "square filing" his chains like that for years and they cut quite well, showed me a double bit file that he was using.
He was somewhat intrigued when I showed him what actual square filed was, had never actually seen it before and was very interested in trying it.

I worked with an older fellow who filed from the outside in with a roind file. He told me that he watched his father do that for years, I have to wonder if he was square filing?
 

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I had a logging partner who immigrated from Switzerland in the early 1970's.
He round filed the left hand cutters the normal inside to out but filed the right hand cutters outside in. His chain cut fine.
Matter of fact that's the only way I could round file on the Alaskan mill. .
 

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You have to wonder what length chain they are basing "two sharpenings" on because I imagine the files will be stupid expensive at first

Sharpen a 20" loop twice and pitch the file?

Pass

:roto2nuse:
Me too. That's crazy unless they give you files when you buy the chain.
 

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Stihl HEXA file price in other European countries which are usually more expensive than mine list for 9euros

since America always is cheaper due to huge clientele the file could be around 5-7usd

cheaper than anything close or alternative to round file
 

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Double bevel files, for square-filed chain, sell for $7 - $16 each here (depending on brand, quantity, vendor).

Name brand round files typically $1.50 each (bought by the dozen); $2 -$3 each (small packages); and I have seen them up to $8 each (!) at some hardware stores.

Useable life will be a key factor of affordability. ‘Hex’ should provide 3, clean corners?

Philbert
 

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Double bevel files, for square-filed chain, sell for $7 - $16 each here (depending on brand, quantity, vendor).

Name brand round files typically $1.50 each (bought by the dozen); $2 -$3 each (small packages); and I have seen them up to $8 each (!) at some hardware stores.

Useable life will be a key factor of affordability. ‘Hex’ should provide 3, clean corners?

Philbert

I think due to the 2 safe sides you are only looking at 2 opposing "corners", if I am taking your meaning correctly

???

IDK, I am frequently wrong
 

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In the animation attached to one of the two original threads it appeared to me that there are 2 safe sides, top and bottom for lack of a better word, because there is no gullet to hog out

You just keep going rearward with the file and eventually get to the witness marks on the side of the cutter

The file always rests safe side down to keep the corner in line from the time it’s new until it’s worn out

That’s my take

I’m frequently wrong

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