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I haven’t heard specifically of 710 having an issue in the wintertime. I know there are members here who use it exclusively year round without issue. I have been into several saws using it and they appear perfect inside
Yes, I made a mistake, I was thinking of castor based oils. Ester based oils are fine in cold weather. I'll correct my mistake in my post above.
 

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Yes, I made a mistake, I was thinking of castor based oils. Ester based oils are fine in cold weather. I'll correct my mistake in my post above.
That makes sense. The popular oils with castor are Maxima 927, Klotz Super Techniplate and I believe R50, and Benol
 

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From reading this forum and others it seems the oils below are good performers...

Amsoil Dominator
Echo Red Armor
Motul 710 2T
Honda HP2
Maxima K2
Schaeffer’s 7000

Now, what about Stihl Ultra? Are the oils above better? I've read some comments on here and also Chickanic on YouTube says Stihl oil can lead to carbon buildup?
 

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From reading this forum and others it seems the oils below are good performers...

Amsoil Dominator
Echo Red Armor
Motul 710 2T
Honda HP2
Maxima K2
Schaeffer’s 7000

Now, what about Stihl Ultra? Are the oils above better? I've read some comments on here and also Chickanic on YouTube says Stihl oil can lead to carbon buildup?
Stihl ultra is the worst performing oil I've ever used
I've rebuilt dozens of stihls and Husqvarna's with severe carbon buildup and scoring or simply stuck rings
Orange bottle is fine no issues at all.
 

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From reading this forum and others it seems the oils below are good performers...

Amsoil Dominator
Echo Red Armor
Motul 710 2T
Honda HP2
Maxima K2
Schaeffer’s 7000

Now, what about Stihl Ultra? Are the oils above better? I've read some comments on here and also Chickanic on YouTube says Stihl oil can lead to carbon buildup?
I hate oil. Makes everything oily.
 

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Because the oem’s are bound by the epa and that’s all they CAN recommend. Many here have seen the carnage left behind with bearings going bad prematurely. On top of that, small 2 strokes continue to make more power down to about 24:1 due to added ring seal.

Another reason is that most new saws today use strato technology and are about 30% more efficient due to it. That 30% more efficiency equates to 30% less oil running through the lower end to lubricate the bearings. 50:1 in a strato saw is very similar to running 70:1 in a traditional 2 stroke. Another way to look at that is 50:1 in a traditional two stroke (as far as how much oil the bearings see) is very similar to running 32:1 in a strato.
The 50:1 craze got started 40 years ago largely because richer ratios were fouling plugs and creating carbon that would build up. There are many new oils out today though with enough detergent in them that they don’t build carbon at all and have proven to actually burn cleaner yet at heavier ratios because of the detergent. If you use a good oil that does not promote carbon, (Motul 710 is perfect), there are no drawbacks to running extra oil.
Would you recommend a 32:1 ratio or 40:1 ratio for the Stihl 500 for less engine wear and longer engine life?
 

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From reading this forum and others it seems the oils below are good performers...

Amsoil Dominator
Echo Red Armor
Motul 710 2T
Honda HP2
Maxima K2
Schaeffer’s 7000

Now, what about Stihl Ultra? Are the oils above better? I've read some comments on here and also Chickanic on YouTube says Stihl oil can lead to carbon buildup?
Depends on where it’s from. I have seen bottles of Ultra from Canada that said made by Castrol. And I have seen the MSDS sheets from Ultra in the US and it’s made by Omni Specialties. I believe the Castrol product is much better than what’s available in the US
 

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Would you recommend a 32:1 ratio or 40:1 ratio for the Stihl 500 for less engine wear and longer engine life?
Either is fine in a 500 as it’s not a strato. If you have other saws that are 5 series Huskies or Stihls with the 1 piece hood, it would be a good idea to run at 32:1
 

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Stihl ultra does indeed suck and swallow
But the poor quality gasoline we get here plays a part in it
I'm sure old mix with ethanol breaking down doesn't lead to peak performance.
And no the average person does not buy efree or canned fuel.
Often they mix oil in old milk jugs so they can see the pretty colors.
 

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Interesting. I contacted Amsoil and asked them what they recommend for the Stihl 500 and if there is anything they offer that is superior to their Dominator and their reply below...

"Thank you for your inquiry. For 2 stroke tools we recommend AMSOIL SABER Professional 100% Synthetic 2-Stroke Oil. PRODUCT CODE: ATPPK-EA."


Do any of you have any experiences with Saber Professional vs Dominator?
 

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I use Husqvarna oil for 50:1 and LawnBoy for all other ratios.
 

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Interesting. I contacted Amsoil and asked them what they recommend for the Stihl 500 and if there is anything they offer that is superior to their Dominator and their reply below...

"Thank you for your inquiry. For 2 stroke tools we recommend AMSOIL SABER Professional 100% Synthetic 2-Stroke Oil. PRODUCT CODE: ATPPK-EA."


Do any of you have any experiences with Saber Professional vs Dominator?
I've ran both. Saber is made for OPE. Dominator is motorcycle racing oil. Saber has fuel stabilizer, Dominator does not.
 
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