70cc class Dyno day

[RI Chevy]

I'm still waiting for a few more of the mob to join in. I'd expect nothing less from all of you.

 

[Moparmyway]

You'll have to go foam then. Regular air filters aren't for everybody

Is the foam air filter actually lighter than the OEM air filter ............................??????
Careful with yer answer Jeefus

NOT asking for a friend

 

[RI Chevy]

We'll have to have the weights and measures guys weigh it

 

[Moparmyway]

We'll have to have the weights and measures guys weigh it

List of "those guys" ???

 

[huskihl]

Is the foam air filter actually lighter than the OEM air filter ............................??????
Careful with yer answer Jeefus

NOT asking for a friend

With or without oil? More variables…

 

[SOS Ridgerider]

I ported a couple of MS500s with heat already. They arrived here from Norway, and were sent back there. I tried to get the customer to sell me a few, but he was worried about getting into trouble with Stihl.

Damn Norwegians...

 

[RI Chevy]

List of "those guys" ???

Mustang Mike might be able to help

 

[MustangMike]

Send whatever you don't want my way Kevin D... I'll take'm.

Hey Mike, do you half fill your saws when you run them? I fill mine right up to caps. Saws should have a standard weight guideline of full fluids with bar, as that is the work weight.

Jeff, If you run your saws from full to empty the average weight will not be the full weight, and near the end of the tank the empty weight will be pretty close, that is why it counts. To argue that one way is right and the other way is wrong is just absurd.

 

[cuinrearview]

With or without oil? More variables…

IDK how you *f-wording people even make it out the front door in the morning.

 

[huskihl]

IDK how you *frenching people even make it out the front door in the morning.

Hang on. Let me wipe the drool from the corner of my mouth and reread that

 

[dall]

Hang on. Let me wipe the drool from the corner of my mouth and reread that

might have to move the helmet if its in the way lol

 

[cuinrearview]

 

[MustangMike]

The amount of power the 500i has over the 462, for those extra few ounces is literally addicting when you run them side by side, especially ported.

If they were both available at the same time that may have influenced my decisions, but I'm very happy with my 462s, which are both ported and run very well. While a 500i may have better power to weight, I can't think of another saw that size that does.

Artic saws always weight more than non artic versions because of the extra electrical generating components.

My brother had an arctic 460 for decades. He ran my ported 462 once and sold the 460 to get a ported 462. In all the years he had it, he never used the heated handle feature. Because of my Tax Season, I don't do much with the saws in the dead of winter either.

 

[rogue60]

Mind blown I just worked out a used blocked air filter is heavier than a new unused air filter!

 

[Woodpecker]

IDK how you *frenching people even make it out the front door in the morning.

Hang on. Let me wipe the drool from the corner of my mouth and reread that

Never go full retard man...

 

[sawmikaze]

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[MustangMike]

Don't worry Jeff , were still here for ya!

 

[RI Chevy]

No worries Mike. I got big shoulders.

 

[00wyk]

List of "those guys" ???

I'm one.

Chainsaw Weight Gallery
Chainsaw Bar Weight Gallery

I have been on the forestry forums since about 2010 or so. One of the most common arguments you see are about weight. And some of the most inaccurate statements are regarding weight. I found it sort of funny, because weight is not subjective. All you have to do is weigh it. So Neal Murphy and I got together since I had the web space and he did a business repairing and reselling all manner of saws. He weighed them, and I posted. Over the years, more folks came to me and added content, some I asked to borrow their images. Among the entire gallery there are a few variances, as there would be even if they all came straight off the factory floor with just one person measuring. Some are quite a bit different, but you have a scale right there to argue over VS just pulling numbers out of the air. The more images I have, the smaller the margin becomes.

Why this is important - folks often argue it isn't important. I'm not exactly sure why, but they do. It's important because it helps to maintain some sanity in the entire industry, as even officials have contacted me regarding the page as well, and not just chainsaw manufacturers. Some of the common web sites you can purchase these saws and attachments from use my site, free of charge, as a basis for their stated weights. But another important thing is chainsaws are combustion engines you have to hold in your hand. They are literally sold in a cc class which is a default weight class. You nearly always purchase a saw judging by how efficient it is to use for a one man operator. This means weight is a major issue for the engine size and output, with costs and power joining that metric. The only way one has even a basis of validating or denouncing any factory or posters claims is to know the weight/class of the device they are speaking of.

Another good example is the fact that the title on this thread says '70cc class'. Why bother dynoing a 70cc saw if it weighs 30lbs? No one is going to buy it. That's an extreme example, but it goes to show that all cc classes are also default weight classes - the weights matter. And when the factory knows other competitors actual real world weights - they take notice, and they make better saws for their displacements.

Why we/I weigh empty chassis only if we can help it. You buy a chassis only, and then add stuff to it. Your stuff is different than other's people's stuff - but your chassis is the same - it isn't subjective this way. We aren't comparing customs rigs here, we're comparing factory machines. The only way to do it is as they come from the factory without attachments. In this manner all chainsaws are born the same. They all have clutches, covers, handles, etc etc and only require a chain and a bar. So, from the factory, they are all basically the minimum mechanical requirement to be called a chainsaw. Sort of like a table saw in this aspect. Remove the blade from a table saw, and it's still a table saw. Remove the table or the motor, and it's just parts.

 

[Mastermind]

I'm one.

Chainsaw Weight Gallery
Chainsaw Bar Weight Gallery

I have been on the forestry forums since about 2010 or so. One of the most common arguments you see are about weight. And some of the most inaccurate statements are regarding weight. I found it sort of funny, because weight is not subjective. All you have to do is weigh it. So Neal Murphy and I got together since I had the web space and he did a business repairing and reselling all manner of saws. He weighed them, and I posted. Over the years, more folks came to me and added content, some I asked to borrow their images. Among the entire gallery there are a few variances, as there would be even if they all came straight off the factory floor with just one person measuring. Some are quite a bit different, but you have a scale right there to argue over VS just pulling numbers out of the air. The more images I have, the smaller the margin becomes.

Why this is important - folks often argue it isn't important. I'm not exactly sure why, but they do. It's important because it helps to maintain some sanity in the entire industry, as even officials have contacted me regarding the page as well, and not just chainsaw manufacturers. Some of the common web sites you can purchase these saws and attachments from use my site, free of charge, as a basis for their stated weights. But another important thing is chainsaws are combustion engines you have to hold in your hand. They are literally sold in a cc class which is a default weight class. You nearly always purchase a saw judging by how efficient it is to use for a one man operator. This means weight is a major issue for the engine size and output, with costs and power joining that metric. The only way one has even a basis of validating or denouncing any factory or posters claims is to know the weight/class of the device they are speaking of.

Another good example is the fact that the title on this thread says '70cc class'. Why bother dynoing a 70cc saw if it weighs 30lbs? No one is going to buy it. That's an extreme example, but it goes to show that all cc classes are also default weight classes - the weights matter. And when the factory knows other competitors actual real world weights - they take notice, and they make better saws for their displacements.

Why we/I weigh empty chassis only if we can help it. You buy a chassis only, and then add stuff to it. Your stuff is different than other's people's stuff - but your chassis is the same - it isn't subjective this way. We aren't comparing customs rigs here, we're comparing factory machines. The only way to do it is as they come from the factory without attachments. In this manner all chainsaws are born the same. They all have clutches, covers, handles, etc etc and only require a chain and a bar. So, from the factory, they are all basically the minimum mechanical requirement to be called a chainsaw. Sort of like a table saw in this aspect. Remove the blade from a table saw, and it's still a table saw. Remove the table or the motor, and it's just parts.

Wow.

Great post, and fantastic information.

I've not heard anything out of Neal in awhile. Are you still in regular contact with him?