X-cut chain

[Wilhelm]

So on the subject of chains and without starting a new thread,I’ve been getting a lot of chain stretch lately with both Oregon and stihl chisel chains on my bigger saws. To the point where I run out of adjustment. Have you guys been seeing this too?

Too aggressive chain, or dull chain and utilization of the saws spikes!
In both cases the cutting resistance is too high and a powerful PH will "stretch" the chain pulling it through the cut.

Throw the stretched out chains into the scrap bin, they will no longer merge smoothly with the drive sprocket.

 

[Gullet]

Sounds like a good excuse to set it up for doing gullets in the future.


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I'm game.
Need an address.

Sorry, couldn't help it lol.

 

[BlacknTan]

It's either a softer, easier to file edge that dulls quicker, or a harder edge that lasts, and a bit more antsy to file.

What I'm waiting for is an alloy tough that can consure bolts and nails, and that files like quarter hard brass... one of these days...

 

[Gullet]

Coming from the custom knife world, I just can't imagine a file skating off a chain (a GOOD file being roughly 58- 60hrc hardness).
If the teeth were harder than a good file they would chip.
Just saying...

 

[Gullet]

PS:
IF they were made from PREMIUM STEEL, they would be cost prohibitive...
Over $100 a loop?
You could prolly heat treat a chain loop as hard as a file, but it wouldn't last very long.

 

[chiselbit]

What bar oil are you running?


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Schaffer. And I don’t want to hear anything bad about it because I just bought 2, 55 gallon barrels of the stuff!

 

[Gullet]

Depending on th

Schaffer. And I don’t want to hear anything bad about it because I just bought 2, 55 gallon barrels of the stuff!

Ive been thru a gallon last 9 days (11 ricks).
So it's safe to say you require "More Lube" than me?

 

[Gullet]

Craftsman 3.3 pictured in the middle.
It cut 11 Ricks, one bar & 2 chains to rotate (Oregon BPX).
Not a small saw (18" bar).

 

[Skeans1]

Schaffer. And I don’t want to hear anything bad about it because I just bought 2, 55 gallon barrels of the stuff!

Never ran it, how much of the burn wood are you guys still cutting?


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[Gullet]

Never ran it, how much of the burn wood are you guys still cutting?


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110 gallons later, they ask your advice...

 

[Gullet]

OVER 16' @ the base .
Big Old Oak (150 years old?)!

 

[Nutball]

I've noticed a couple guys I work with hitting the brake right after each cut, stretches the chain in no time till it is sagging off the bar, but they keep right on doing it.

As for the teeth hardness, I haven't paid too close attention to what brands I'm filing, but I feel like some of the new Husqy chains are super soft to where you can fix a rocked chain in 2-3 swipes, but I did run into a hard Husqy chain recently that took 30min to file (20" chain). I was filing each tooth about 20 times, and the file didn't seem to be biting well. Next chain took 5min & was much softer. That file didn't last much longer, but did sharpen several chains a few times, so I got my money's worth out of that Oregon file.

 

[Gullet]

Oregon files don't impress me.
I like the Stihls A LOT better.
Files in general are not the last word in chain performance.
RPMs & bar come into play.
If you EVER ran across a chain that is anywhere NEAR as hard as a file, it wouldn't last 2 minutes in the cut

 

[Nutball]

What I wonder about is what stays sharp the longest: hard chain, soft chain, or surface hardened by a grinder? Would the soft steel wear away faster allowing somewhat of a self sharpening characteristic as more fresh chrome top plate can be exposed, or would the grinder hardened chain resist edge wear?

 

[Gullet]

What stays sharpest is what your oiler can supply versus bar length.

 

[Philbert]

What I wonder about is what stays sharp the longest: hard chain, soft chain, or surface hardened by a grinder?

Some of it would depend on what you are cutting. Carbide chain makes sense in some situations, but not all.

Philbert

 

[Gullet]

Even the SHARPEST CHAIN is not the most desirable.
Sharp is one thing.
Sharp longeviy is another
If you have the coin to

Some of it would depend on what you are cutting. Carbide chain makes sense in some situations, but not all.

Philbert

YEAH!
If ya got the coin!

 

[chiselbit]

Never ran it, how much of the burn wood are you guys still cutting?


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I heard the other day we are done with about one third of the sale. No end in sight. I’ve been using the Schaffer’s for about a year and it seems to be no better or worse than husky or stihl bar oil. Seems to stick to the chain good. Unlike some of the cheap stuff

 

[chiselbit]

Depending on th


Ive been thru a gallon last 9 days (11 ricks).
So it's safe to say you require "More Lube" than me?

Not quite a gallon a day.

 

[Philbert]

Some of it would depend on what you are cutting. Carbide chain makes sense in some situations, but not all.

YEAH!
If ya got the coin!

I’m not saying that carbide is ‘the best’;
I’m saying that ‘the best’ may depend on the type of wood that you are cutting.

Philbert