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Bottom line of the coil & flywheel testing:

Points ignition (Mini Mac) uses "IGN" flywheel 91961/94513/94737,217673

Early brown & large white electronic ignition modules on the 300 Series saws use the same "IGN" flywheel as the Mini Mac models

Black SEM electronic ignitions use "CDI" flywheel 219211

Cream (or off white) electronic ignition modules require the use of 222778 flywheel, should be marked "F" but also has a 5 molded in, 222778 is 20 fins compared to 10 fins for the other two.

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The differences between the flywheels is the location/timing of the flywheel key.

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All of these flywheels have the narrow (1/16") keyway and wide pawls for use with the plastic starter pulleys. I think the different part numbers for the earliest flywheels correspond to the wide steel pawls on the first, then white or black plastic pawls on later versions.

It is now starting to sink in that when McCulloch went to the last versions of the electronic ignition modules they used the same coil & laminations in several applications, but changed the orientation of the laminations for some.

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In other instances, the laminations changed as is the case for the ignitions for the 600 and 10 Series saws.

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While the chart (see my post 11,915 above) is helpful, it is not entirely accurate...I guess there's no surprise there for anyone that worked with McCulloch saws and documentation before. For the Mini Mac models, it is necessary to use the CDI flywheel with the SEM electronic ignition modules though the chart shows both points and electronic using the same 94737 flywheel, and they show the 100 Series (Mini Mac) and 300 Series using the 223707 (cream) coil but I found it necessary to add some washers as spacers to allow the coil to actually bolt in place on the 300 Series saws.

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In several circumstances the exact same coil and laminations were uses with different length spark plug leads, resulting in different part numbers. So far I have found these leads to be very easy to change by simply "unscrewing" one and replacing it with another appropriate length lead wire.

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Honest question, the 1-71 I just acquired has good compression, rolls over smooth and the tank is clean and shiny inside. Do i rebuild carb and fix rewind and attempt to run as is or strip saw down clean and put new seals in ect then build back up?
 

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Honest question, the 1-71 I just acquired has good compression, rolls over smooth and the tank is clean and shiny inside. Do i rebuild carb and fix rewind and attempt to run as is or strip saw down clean and put new seals in ect then build back up?

Does it have good spark? If it's been sitting then it would likely need a fuel system rebuild at minimum. If you can fix up a way to do a pressure and vac test, that would go a long way in determining if you have a runner after a fuel system and starter service.
 

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Does it have good spark? If it's been sitting then it would likely need a fuel system rebuild at minimum. If you can fix up a way to do a pressure and vac test, that would go a long way in determining if you have a runner after a fuel system and starter service.
Planned on rebuilding the carb, has an hl Tilly on it and I have all the kit parts in my drawers. Was going to pull flywheel and clean points and set gap at 18-20 then see what rewind needs ect. May just need a rope, guess I can make all the needed parts to block off the ports to vac test
 

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I was putting a PM800 together and learned a valuable lesson about the dowel pin (110851) used to locate the bearing insert on the PTO side; in spite of the fact that the IPL from 1973 through 1992 call out the same part number, there are in fact two different length pins on various models.

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If you happen to get the longer pin in a saw not drilled deep enough, the pin will impinge upon the bearing an wreck it.

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On future machines I will either check them over more carefully, or just stick to the shorter pins.

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If you remember there was a short period of time 1975-1982 that the US was converting over to metric system, due to President Ford enacting it. That went over like a fart in church and got rescinded by President Regan.
I wonder if that might have something to do with it. The shorter pin is approximately equivalent to 6mm.
 

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I put a note in the small parts bin with the dowel pins so hopefully I remember to check these in the future.

I also noticed there are 4 different versions of the bearing insert used on the 10 Series saws over 57cc.

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It's hard to confuse the ones with the retaining rings vs. the ones drilled for the dowel pin but you have to be careful to use (or send out) the correct one when selling parts...

I ran into another issue on the PM800 rebuild today when I realized I pulled a PM850 crankshaft instead of a PM800 crankshaft when putting this one back together. For whatever reason(s) McCulloch shortened the crankshaft on the 800 family saws and at the same time lengthened the fins on the flywheel while changing them to 18 rather than 12 or 20 on the previous versions.

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Rather than tear the engine completely down again, I swapped the flywheel and starter shaft from an 850 that allowed the cover to fit correctly.

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It was also necessary to space the coil out 1/4" to keep the laminations properly aligned with the magnets on the flywheel.

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I used a threaded stud (as you above) and a slightly shortened coupling nut to make the "special stud" used to anchor the coil and provide a threaded hole for the flywheel cover.

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Once the Red Cote in the fuel tank cures fully I will give it a go.

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Back about a week or so ago I was looking for a chain brake for my PM700.There weren't any available on eBay at the time & Mark was gracious enough to go into his attic & find a nice used one for me.Meanwhile,I bought a couple of chain brakes on eBay for PM610s.I opened the first box & it was a nice chain brake for the PM610 (Timber Bear style).The second box I opened had me looking at it strangely.I noticed the adjuster screw was in the brake,on the 610 brake there is no adjuster screw.Then I noticerd the brake handle was different.The seller hadf sold me a chain brake for a PM700! Now I have 2 of them,Lol.These pics are of the one I got on eBay.
 

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Back about a week or so ago I was looking for a chain brake for my PM700.There weren't any available on eBay at the time & Mark was gracious enough to go into his attic & find a nice used one for me.Meanwhile,I bought a couple of chain brakes on eBay for PM610s.I opened the first box & it was a nice chain brake for the PM610 (Timber Bear style).The second box I opened had me looking at it strangely.I noticed the adjuster screw was in the brake,on the 610 brake there is no adjuster screw.Then I noticerd the brake handle was different.The seller hadf sold me a chain brake for a PM700! Now I have 2 of them,Lol.These pics are of the one I got on eBay.
Whoever figures out first how to rehab an old saw and not have extra parts wins.
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