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  1. North by Northwest

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    it follows the rational of not using ether as a quick start for saws . Carb cleaner is normally advised or a small amount of fresh fuel mix sprayed within the carb or spark plug hole . Actually done properly ether is not a con . Actually quality starting sprays have a lublicity adder to the ether spray . However I have seen some unknowledgible owners spray an entire can into a 2 T motor which not doubt could be a negative , in more ways than 1....:eeeeek:
     
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    Not sure if the Chevron product was today's Techtron product . However it utilized Stoddard solvent at levels of 40 % which contains trimetyhlbenzene & aromatic hydro carbons , rather than kerosene . The old MMO also had toluene & xylene adders , although not as hazardous as benzene , not something I wish to inhale , absorb or injest . I try to utilize the safest & most environmentally sound ( biodegradable) product . Pretty hard sometimes , that's why most often I use ultrasonic cleaning with biodegradable emulsion products .
     
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    yeah schaeffers has pretty well priced themselves out of the market , red armor is next !
     
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    That SDS is from 2022, sometimes a little research goes a long way. With Chevron headquarters being in California, if it was known to be cancer causing it would be stated as such.
     
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    Thanks for the heads up and info :) I’d never put it in any of my good equipment, hence why the $5 hedge trimmer got it for testing haha.
     
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    So after an hour and a half of using the whipper snipper on 32:1 caster 927, I decided to pull off the cover into the crank case. It was covered in oil everywhere. Not just a shine, but a thick film coating everything. Very eye opening how good this stuff lubricates, night and day to the ultra which seems to leave a shine (which initially I thought was good). Shame caster is not cleaner for this application.
     
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    I think the castor separated from the gas after carb atomized the mix and stick to everything. While the Ultra is carried away with the mixed air/fuel and burn?
    Castor 927 is the worst oil I've ever use when adding to the gas. You gonna shake it real good before refueling.
     
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    Yeah it takes a lot of agitation to get it to mix!

    Tried a couple of different oils at 32:1, not a fan personally. Way too smoky and gave me a sore throat both times LOL. Tuned correctly, so that’s not the issue. Going to go back to 40:1 on my stuff and 50:1 for equipment I’ll flip.
     
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    Guys you’re all wrong… 50:1 is for 2 stroke and 40:1 is for 4 stroke because it has more strokes, it needs more oil. The stupidity is painful….

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    Another problem with castor is it probably goes bad faster than synthetic. Left out in the air for a year or 2 in small quantities Klotz Benol looses its red color either turning amber colored or completely clear with a rancid smell like spoiled veg oil. I don't know how the lube properties change, I think it gets stickier and less oily.
     
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    That’s interesting! Good to know. Makes sense as it is a vegetable oil and we’ve all smelt rancid oil!

    I have one more oil I want to try which should arrive soon, Amsoil Saber. Will test at 40:1.
     
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    :facepalm::meparto:
     
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    It literally hurt my brain when I saw it, I had to re read it to make sure I was not miss reading it!
     
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    That must be a record of some sorts.
    Was it sold by amazon, maybe they were out and had
    to wait until it came in, they wouldn't say in fear you
    would cancel, its all about the dollar, ol jeff will need
    a big box to go in.
     
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    A high quality mineral oil is a Group III oil , therefore actually highly refined & a base synthetic . At 24:1 it will always give the optimal results you have identified . I ran Quaker State straight 30 in all my Pioneers for yrs same results when run hard @ 16:1 . Later on when true 2T oils made available , I ran both Quaker State , then Shell or Castrol 2T oils at 32:1 for yrs until I switched to Amsoil just around the Millenium !
     
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    A Quality FC rate not certified oil , that will protect that 661 for years !
     
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    you never know about marketing strategy , you could be spot on !
     
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    What ratio are you running with the Amsoil? Is it Saber or dominator? Seems the consensus is 40:1.
     
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    I just ran some Red Armor today (courtesy of @I saw a lot , thank you again). I went with 32:1 in my son's MS250 he and I fixed up. Figure a little extra insurance can't hurt. Doesn't smell bad and burns clean. Tunes easy.
     
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    I like it, I switched to it about a year ago, but I think Echo might be gouging somewhat on price now.
    It went up about 30% here versus last year.
    Amsoil Saber is cheaper here & never went up since last year.
     
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