Saw video thread

[rogue60]

[QUOTE=" Even still I can't get my head around the waste at the stump if it's a industry wide practice.

Don't get me wrong not saying a conventional face cut doesn't have its place just mill logs it has no purpose it's nothing more than a waste of the best butt log timber.


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with humbolt you leave the wood in to stump. with conventional you can cut right at ground level[/QUOTE]

I still don't get the logic behind it what wood are you saving that side of the log is now short with these massive steep conventional face cuts.
Less wood is wasted with a humboldt at the end of the day from a sawmill recovery point of view IMHO

 

[Maintenance Chief]

The only time I cut below waist level is to avoid metal embedded wood, but none of my wood goes to a mill.

 

[andyshine77]

Whenever you make a notch you're wasting wood, it just depends where. The wider the notch the more waste.

 

[Duane(Pa)]

Just going through some of the Homelite super Xl-12s I've been grabbing out of scrapyards.

Nice! My first chainsaw (still have it). Love that old school grunt!

 

[RI Chevy]

I love the PPE they use in Indonesia. The guy was pretty talented with his saws. Was he using a 394 or 3120? I liked the way the crew moved those big heavy pieces. Like the Egytians.

 

[rogue60]

The only time I cut below waist level is to avoid metal embedded wood, but none of my wood goes to a mill.

Yeah I'm just talking mill logs you can't cut timber out of log if it doesn't exist?
Standard practice down here with mill logs is a nice straight butt cut if hand felled or harvester the mill gets the most recovery out of the log this way.
I just don't get how a conventional gains anything if there is wood missing on that side of the log when it gets to the mill? less is lost with a humboldt IMHO.



These logs have been cut with a harvester nice butts for recovery no missing wood.

 

[Wolverine]

Whenever you make a notch you're wasting wood, it just depends where. The wider the notch the more waste.

As a firewooder, I take said notch home with me to burn. So not anymore waist.

But yes, in a logging environment I know it to be true.

 

[BlackCoffin]

I see what both side are saying for loss of wood. As with most west coast species of trees, especially large ones, butt swell is a common thing and is usually more annoying to deal with since it relates nothing to how much a tree will yield. A humbolt is an easier way to eliminate that swell and have a more “mill ready” final product. A himboldt also leaves a fairly flat end on the log where the conventional doesn’t. The way I see it, if the log needs to he trued up before it’s loaded the humboldt is one less step in the process of things.

I would be curious if anything is deducted from the logs with conventional cuts and/or do you true up the ends before they get transported?

 

[Wolverine]

The stihl one is a lot cheaper,
I know you can’t get it there… you have to have friends in the right places
https://www.stihl.co.uk/STIHL-Produ...e-maintenance/267816-133798/depth-gauges.aspx

So $6 usd, plus shipping from UK. If you ever do a group buy with someone, hmu. I’ll take one or two.

 

[MustangMike]

I think if you look at various trees and have the option of the notch you want to use, you will find examples of when each one is better suited to a particular tree based on what it does down near the ground.

I do understand not wanting to make an additional cut to true up the log but doing a Humbolt on a large hardwood is not always so easy.

IMO, felling the tree accurately and safely are the most important concerns, and I believe that is why they often require Humbolt when felling softwoods on steep slopes (it helps to prevent or reduce the likelihood of the base of the tree kicking back).

 

[Hinerman]

Looks like the same amount of waste to me, just don’t have to clean up the end with a humboldt. But what do I know, lol

 

[BlackCoffin]

Looks like the same amount of waste to me, just don’t have to clean up the end with a humboldt. But what do I know, lol

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I think mentioned earlier is you can go lower on the stump than a hunboldt, but if you look at the amount of material removed for the face cut, it’s basically the same.

 

[MustangMike]

Dang, It's cold out there:

 

[Catman]

Dang, It's cold out there:

HILARIOUS!!!!

 

[BlackCoffin]

Dang, It's cold out there:

warm here and my saw still looks like that…huh?

 

[andyshine77]

I see what both side are saying for loss of wood. As with most west coast species of trees, especially large ones, butt swell is a common thing and is usually more annoying to deal with since it relates nothing to how much a tree will yield. A humbolt is an easier way to eliminate that swell and have a more “mill ready” final product. A himboldt also leaves a fairly flat end on the log where the conventional doesn’t. The way I see it, if the log needs to he trued up before it’s loaded the humboldt is one less step in the process of things.

I would be curious if anything is deducted from the logs with conventional cuts and/or do you true up the ends before they get transported?

All very true. But when you take out a wedge that's wasted wood. Unless as mentioned above you utilize the wedge for something like firewood, which is what I also do.

 

[andyshine77]

Looks like the same amount of waste to me, just don’t have to clean up the end with a humboldt. But what do I know, lol

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Exactly![emoji106]

 

[rogue60]

Completely missing the point lol
You can go low with a humboldt with a shallow notch if needed.
In that case you will save more timber at the stump than a steep conventional.
I'm not talking saving the notch wood which one is bigger or smaller lol
I'm talking the log length a steep conventional can effect the length on that side of the log we looking at the big picture.

 

[rogue60]

This might help explain now we are talking mill logs and getting the most recovery out of the log the least amount of waste.

 

[TreeLife]

This might help explain now we are talking mill logs and getting the most recovery out of the log the least amount of waste.
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I can appreciate what you're trying to say...but waste is waste, and every face cut unless stump jumping is waste. The guy in the bottom picture made his finishing cut 3 feet up, guy in the top picture also cut it high (to me). Unless there is debris or the integrity of the timber is compromised...there's no reason aside from being lazy to stump a tree so high.

Just a dumb east coast guy...