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Generally, the higher revving motorcycle engines have more pistons, making it easier to even the load on the crank.

Re: bore/stroke for the same cc … it is a catch 22, the shorter the stroke the larger the bore and the heavier the piston … inertia is inertia and reversing it results in stress. The higher the RPMs, the higher the stress. Building with the right components is key … but increasing RPMs, all else being =, will shorten the engine life. In addition to reversing the direction of the piston there will be more side force (due to inertia) on the P + C and it will wear faster … there is no getting around it. (Until you invent the oil that increases viscosity under load).

Again I mostly disagree. This is old school thinking IMHO. Just because the stroke is shorter doesn't mean you need to increase displacement / bore size. Also we don't have any valve train to worry about, as we know can be a big limiting factor. So the extra rpm's gained in a woods ported saw is pretty much inconsequential in most engines if you ask me, and again we're not spinning 16,000 RPMs in the cut. These are tiny engines with a very low reciprocating mass, with the proper materials these saws really should be spinning even more rpm's than they do, but that would add cost, and I'm not sure if the chains could hold up lol.

This all really goes back to different philosophies of making power, some like stump pullers, others like all rpm's, I like a good balance.[emoji6]
 
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If both saws are 70 cc (I'm not comparing two different size saws), and one has a shorter stroke, than physics dictate it must have a larger bore.

If you are just generally stating that smaller engines can generally safely rev higher … than yes, I agree with that.
 

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If both saws are 70 cc (I'm not comparing two different size saws), and one has a shorter stroke, than physics dictate it must have a larger bore.

If you are just generally stating that smaller engines can generally safely rev higher … than yes, I agree with that.
More or less.
 

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I've run a fist full of tanks thru mine thus far, it has become stronger and more responsive than it was out the box. It had no problem at all running a 28" bar/full house chain with a legit softwood grind in any material. I'll try to get footage tomorrow of it running that combo.
 

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I've run a fist full of tanks thru mine thus far, it has become stronger and more responsive than it was out the box. It had no problem at all running a 28" bar/full house chain with a legit softwood grind in any material. I'll try to get footage tomorrow of it running that combo.
I knew I smelled torque, even with the 20” bar.
 

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I always wondered if the crank stuffers inhibit the mix/oil from getting to the bearings. Just wondered, don't really know. :)

Well, the 372XT did suffer a lot of main bearing failures initially, but I always wondered if that was from both the heavier piston and being tuned too lean from the factory? So I'm not sure
how much of a role the stuffers played. The 575 also suffered a fair amount of PTO side bearing failures in the early days but there also some issues with the bearing spinning in the
pocket as well...
 

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Well, the 372XT did suffer a lot of main bearing failures initially, but I always wondered if that was from both the heavier piston and being tuned too lean from the factory? So I'm not sure
how much of a role the stuffers played. The 575 also suffered a fair amount of PTO side bearing failures in the early days but there also some issues with the bearing spinning in the
pocket as well...
The 372xt had crank stuffers? I've never been in a 372xt.
 

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Lots of good points being made here … and then we presume that if you get 100 bearings that one of them is not a bit flawed …

But I think that it is fair to say:

- Avoid Excessive Compression
- Properly Vent the Heat
- Properly maintain and tune the Saw, Bar + Chain
- Use quality oil mixed at a good ratio for your saw and conditions
- Operate in a reasonable manner

All will usually contribute to longevity of a saw.
I would add that I ran stihl red container 2 cycle juice with premium fuel in my husky and stihl chainsaws at 50/1 and never adjusted the carburetors in any of my saws, but demanded my ground man to clean the air filter every time my saws were fueled, I never burned a saw up and I still have two saws that run just as strong as the day I got them, one is my 036 That I cut hundreds and hundreds of cords with that I bought brand new in the mid 90s. A clean filter is a must as far as I’m concerned!
 

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Yup, definitely, part of properly maintain and tune. Fuel filters are also often overlooked, and I've removed a lot of plugs that I was surprised still fired. I'm sure when that electrode erodes, it puts extra strain on the coil to fire.

My local tree guy cleans all the air filters with compressed air every day after the day is done.
 

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You didn’t kill any bottom ends with those 75cc jugs did you? They were pushing 190-200 lbs. I know Shane’s 71cc was 225 or so after break in and it was probably the best running one I ever built with a stock piston.
Never had problems. I figured they broke at 190-200psi once I go some good run time into them.
That's perfect. When I took them up north for winter work then I just primed them each morning and do the filter at the same time. They get tight in the winter from sitting out. First spark and they flashed every time. I actually got in the habit of doing it year round. The way I tune the low, my saws have always been a little harder to start in the morning only.
I am comfortable with 1200 hours on the bottom end. I base it at 5 1/2 run time a day. I went to 1300 on one of yours even know I had a brand new saw to swap it on.
Only had two clutch sides go in 20 years of 371/372. My 'helper' took fuel out of the jug for my side- by -side and I didn't notice for a while.
Finished the few days left in the shift and after Christmas break I tried to warm it up and it got tight and stalled a few times.
Whole engine went in the garbage. I wouldn't take a chance on the crank.
On the Simonized I cooked the top in a about 3 months work. I didn't realize I had the cooling fins stuffed. I ran it in 38C (100F) and cooked it in Nov at -36. When it ceased the debris were burning hard.
Friend I worked for at the time of the Simonized top end ran gas station brand oil too which I hate to us. After that I supplied my own oil. I put on a BB and the main bearing went at about 120 days from new. About 700 h. That was in 2007 so that was with the so called better bearings.
Both top ends were 190-200 I would think but obviously there was issues with heat and oil.

225 psi..that's crazy man. I heard that. The only time I ever did a compression test was on two cylinders that I put on. It was the cylinder before your 51.4. It was a 52 BB on one saw and on the other a dome 50 window that I copied Simon's mild intake work. I believe it was an open skirt single ring that Simon had on mine. Anyway Jonny mildly worked the intake and exhaust on the BB.
I put them together dry and the BB was 170 & the dome 50m was 150psi.
The 50mm was way stronger in the wood right away. The 'stock' style piston needs a lot more PSI than the short skirt.
There is no place for them on the coast at 170ish until they break properly. At least with 52mm and the 51.4mm. When you are balls deep they can't sit on their torque and 'break centripetal' and plug the bar grooves and tip. Problem is in the big cedar snags too. Slabs sit down on the bar and the pressure walks the chain out from the bar easy getting the same results.

I have ran a lot of ported 50mm off the bench on the coast and they perform on day one on a broken saw and they my only be 170ish. That's what I think anyway? It all could have been a dream or a bad trip?
 
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It is just ' captain obvious' to say that the 572 saw needs to be ported to make it in the big leagues. It's just a different market that it has the potential to reach as did the 372. So prehap 1 in every10,000 gets ported and it may be the Legendary saw they claim.
 
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