how about a Oklahoma,AR,MO,KS,TX,+IA GTG thread?

[67L36Driver]

Drug out Dayton #2. Fuel system refurb and tank seal.

Needs a bucking spike.

This one is in better cosmetic condition than Dayton #1.

 

[Hedgerow]

Every thing I've read on it says it's not an easy breather. It needs 15' of 6" in a straight shot to have a chance of working right. There should be a small air hole underneath the pedestal as well. If you are thinking of modifying it I'd start there.

This is all the air it can get.
These 2 slots in the back/top.
I'm failing to see the usefulness of this design.

The draft has to pull the air up the back of the stove, into these little holes, across the top through the baffle and secondary air tubes, and whatever's left dumps out the end of the baffle above the door.
No air into the bottom front.
No holes in the "dog box"



Pic of useless square tube steel with no supply or holes.

 

[plcnut]

It doesn't take very much air to make a very hot burn. I built my own stove, and it is designed to burn very hot and soak up the heat while slowly radiating it back into the room. It requires only a small amount of secondary air (which is routed along the firebox through a 1" x 2" rectangle tube) that is pre-heated before being injected so that it does not cool the burn.

 

[concretegrazer]

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This is all the air it can get.
These 2 slots in the back/top.
I'm failing to see the usefulness of this design.

The draft has to pull the air up the back of the stove, into these little holes, across the top through the baffle and secondary air tubes, and whatever's left dumps out the end of the baffle above the door.
No air into the bottom front.
No holes in the "dog box"


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Pic of useless square tube steel with no supply or holes.

And if you saw the convoluted path the air has to take to finally make it into the firebox you'd really be sayin wth.... But it works quite well provided the draft is strong enough to suck it through.

Tip the stove on the side and you should see the air supply for the doghouse.

 

[Hedgerow]

And if you saw the convoluted path the air has to take to finally make it into the firebox you'd really be sayin wth.... But it works quite well provided the draft is strong enough to suck it through.

Tip the stove on the side and you should see the air supply for the doghouse.

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I will check for that hole, but saw nothing of the sort last night. And it looks to be about 1/4" diameter? good greif man...

So if that hole is under the "dog box" does it just leak out the small gaps on the ends of said dog box?

 

[Hedgerow]

It doesn't take very much air to make a very hot burn. I built my own stove, and it is designed to burn very hot and soak up the heat while slowly radiating it back into the room. It requires only a small amount of secondary air (which is routed along the firebox through a 1" x 2" rectangle tube) that is pre-heated before being injected so that it does not cool the burn.

The problem is getting a fire lit in the first place.
When I say it'll snuff out a piece of lit newspaper, I'm not exagerating.

By my estimation, this damn thing would need to have the equivalent of a 5 gallon shop vac sucking the exhaust out..
In their search for a fine tuned burning machine at operating temps, they have sacrificed the whole point of what we use a wood stove for in the first place. Quick, convenient, cheap, heat.

 

[Dub11]

Made a deal on a 3120 as long as my car sells Friday I'll have it Saturday.

I would have to sell two of my cars to afford that lol. good luck.

 

[Dub11]

Drug out Dayton #2. Fuel system refurb and tank seal.

Needs a bucking spike.

This one is in better cosmetic condition than Dayton #1.

Never seen one of those before how many ccis that?

 

[concretegrazer]

I will check for that hole, but saw nothing of the sort last night. And it looks to be about 1/4" diameter? good greif man...

So if that hole is under the "dog box" does it just leak out the small gaps on the ends of said dog box?

That would be my guess. Those pics came from a guy on hearth.

The problem is getting a fire lit in the first place.
When I say it'll snuff out a piece of lit newspaper, I'm not exagerating.

By my estimation, this damn thing would need to have the equivalent of a 5 gallon shop vac sucking the exhaust out..
In their search for a fine tuned burning machine at operating temps, they have sacrificed the whole point of what we use a wood stove for in the first place. Quick, convenient, cheap, heat.

Thank the epa.

There's a learning curve for sure. I wouldn't go back now that I have one. Next one will probably have a cat in it.

 

[Hedgerow]

That would be my guess. Those pics came from a guy on hearth.



Thank the epa.

There's a learning curve for sure. I wouldn't go back now that I have one. Next one will probably have a cat in it.

Problem is, I bought this one for the kids.
The mason chimney their house has is clay tile lined and about 20' tall. I've inspected it and it's in good shape.
It should work to create draft quite well, but is the stove gonna be user friendly and convenient for quick fires?
I'm thinking not.. At this point.
I've read some crazy stories of the lengths the die hards on hearth have gone to, just to prove a poor design can work "sorta". With a 30' super flue and "top down" fire starting methods.
Just not sure whether to take this pretty gift back, or re-engineer it.

 

[67L36Driver]

Never seen one of those before how many ccis that?

Poulan 245sa, 74cc.

They can be distinguished from a 306a by the much taller fuel tank top.

Dayton Electric sold them out of their industrial supply catalog back in the 1970's.

 

[Louie B]

to make these new stoves work, if it has a 6"outlet then it needs a 6" chimney with a minimum of 12' height.
Dumping that stove into a ten or twelve inch masonry chimney will not give enough draft.
As far as secondary air, in the two epa stoves I run the secondary air is open to the outside with no control.
The learning curve is not a gentle one.

 

[sunfish]

The problem is getting a fire lit in the first place.
When I say it'll snuff out a piece of lit newspaper, I'm not exagerating.

Put a stack on it and see.

The EPA sucks, but these new stoves put out more heat, burn longer & do it with less wood.. So don't go porting that thing just yet!

 

[concretegrazer]

Problem is, I bought this one for the kids.
The mason chimney their house has is clay tile lined and about 20' tall. I've inspected it and it's in good shape.
It should work to create draft quite well, but is the stove gonna be user friendly and convenient for quick fires?
I'm thinking not.. At this point.
I've read some crazy stories of the lengths the die hards on hearth have gone to, just to prove a poor design can work "sorta". With a 30' super flue and "top down" fire starting methods.
Just not sure whether to take this pretty gift back, or re-engineer it.

Are they going to really heat with it or just have a pretty fire from time to time?

Without a 6" steel liner I'm betting that it'll be a big disappointment. If I was in your shoes I'd mod that sucker. Just know for insurance purposes it'll need to be installed like a homemade unit.

 

[67L36Driver]

Bree-Ell (don't ask me how they actually spell it[emoji849]) at ten weeks old.

 

[Hedgerow]

to make these new stoves work, if it has a 6"outlet then it needs a 6" chimney with a minimum of 12' height.
Dumping that stove into a ten or twelve inch masonry chimney will not give enough draft.
As far as secondary air, in the two epa stoves I run the secondary air is open to the outside with no control.
The learning curve is not a gentle one.

The tile is only 8" and will suck a lit match out quick. I may install it as is and burn some paper in it.

I'll do some measuring first.

 

[Hedgerow]

Are they going to really heat with it or just have a pretty fire from time to time?

Without a 6" steel liner I'm betting that it'll be a big disappointment. If I was in your shoes I'd mod that sucker. Just know for insurance purposes it'll need to be installed like a homemade unit.

They will do both. When home to tend, heat with.
They both work, but thanks to dad, have 5 cord of dry hedge waiting for free combustion.
Propane is cheap now, but we all know how quickly that can change.

 

[Hedgerow]

Poulan 245sa, 74cc.

They can be distinguished from a 306a by the much taller fuel tank top.

Dayton Electric sold them out of their industrial supply catalog back in the 1970's.

Those 245's were very good runners. Reminded me of the 041 farm bosses.
But a tick more power.

 

[Dub11]

Thanks Carl I learn something new everyday.

 

[Dub11]

And check out the raffle for Tree Monkeys friend one day left lots of good stuff.