DD's 064 hybrid #2

[Keith Gandy]

That saw looks badass Jason!!

 

[Chainsaw Jim]

Jim, you went with a turned 046 flywheel too, right?
I could see how it would spool up quicker with less mass, but also how the heavier flywheel works better with inertia as you are headed through the 10x10.
Not knowledge, just guesses from me.
Dave

No. The 064 taper is the same as the 1128 taper. I took the stock metal flywheel off and placed the poly one in its place without any modifications other than trimming a bit off the little plastic rim that closes the gap behind the flywheel. I'm sure that thing fools people into thinking it won't fit when it keeps the flywheel from seating.
I compared measurements of the length and diameter of both ends of the hole on the flywheels and discovered they matched, so I went from there.

One Stihl dealer I showed it to was telling me he doesn't see how the poly flywheel won't blow up. I didn't bother telling him that the 044/046's spin as fast or faster with just as snappy of a throttle response because he already knows that information.

 

[Definitive Dave]

No. The 064 taper is the same as the 1128 taper. I took the stock metal flywheel off and placed the poly one in its place without any modifications other than trimming a bit off the little plastic rim that closes the gap behind the flywheel. I'm sure that thing fools people into thinking it won't fit when it keeps the flywheel from seating.
I compared measurements of the length and diameter of both ends of the hole on the flywheels and discovered they matched, so I went from there.

One Stihl dealer I showed it to was telling me he doesn't see how the poly flywheel won't blow up. I didn't bother telling him that the 044/046's spin as fast or faster with just as snappy of a throttle response because he already knows that information.

Ok now I want a hybrid flywheel that starts out poly until the saw hits full revs and then morphs into aluminum

 

[Brewz]

Just how much difference does the added weight of the alloy flywheel make?

I presume the advantage would be when the chain hits the timber, the added enertia would help maintain chain speed.

 

[Tractorsaw1]

What chain on the 50"? - man its haulin!

 

[Brewz]

Ok now I want a hybrid flywheel that starts out poly until the saw hits full revs and then morphs into aluminum

What about an aluminum 044 flywheel?
are they lighter than the 066 aluminum units?

It could be a good compromise?

 

[Definitive Dave]

All that is above my pay grade for sure, if Jason says she is a runner that is good enough for me.
I'm pretty sure I watched the short bar video at least 20 times so far.

 

[mdavlee]

What chain on the 50"? - man its haulin!

Full skip Carlton square filed by a hack

 

[Tractorsaw1]

Great work Mr. Hack, lol square is something I need to get into when I find more play time.

 

[Definitive Dave]

Great work Mr. Hack, lol square is something I need to get into when I find more play time.

You need great lighting, clean chain, a save edge file, a strong vise set to a comfortable work height and angle, a great tutor and a quantum-buttload of time and patience.
If you have all of that then it is merely a daunting task to master, but you cant argue with the results

 

[mdavlee]

You need great lighting, clean chain, a save edge file, a strong vise set to a comfortable work height and angle, a great tutor and a quantum-buttload of time and patience.
If you have all of that then it is merely a daunting task to master, but you cant argue with the results

I filed that one on my tailgate the other night in 10 minutes. I've done it a time or 3[emoji6]

 

[Tractorsaw1]

I have seen your video's Mike & you make it look easy for sure! I have a 20" loop for play. Dave helped me out on a sweet vice a while back & I have slowly started round filing. I need to pickup some files, but that buttload of time will be the hardest to come by.

 

[mdavlee]

It gets a lot easier with practice. I even mill with it most of the time. The mill adds difficulty for one side

 

[jmssaws]

I've got lots better at it but I'm usually filing a chain that's already been filed by a master,makes it easy to follow.

 

[Brewz]

I am really keen to get into square filing.

There are guides to how to file but its hard to find info on exactly what files to use, vices to use, possibly links to the source of these bits the experienced square filers use.

I dont want to take this thread off topic, but hot damn I would love some solid information detailing gear needed.

I can push a file, was trained to do it with precision as an apprentice, but the gear I need ???

 

[MustangMike]

Once you get used to square file, you can do it just as fast as round (by hand). It really helps if you can file accurately with each hand, something that I think gives a lot of people trouble.

I do it right on the saw, using a stump vice. I put it on top of a low wooden box with two 45 degree lines on it to help me keep the angles correct. I do one side at a time, and advance each tooth to the same spot and hold the tooth in place with a wooden paint stirrer in back of the tooth, held with the off hand. Once you are set up, it goes pretty fast. Just always make sure the corner of the file is in the corner of the tooth.

I found this reference very helpful in understanding the angles and getting me started: Good luck with it.

http://www.madsens1.com/bnc_cb_angles.htm

 

[jmssaws]

I prefer to have mike Lee stop by the shop and touch my chains up,I can do it ok but it's not as good as him.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Im gonna have him run down here and do mine!!!

 

[jmssaws]

Im gonna have him run down here and do mine!!!

Him or kevin,it's much easier to have them do it.

 

[MustangMike]

Yea, I get that too! My brother, my Nephew & the guy next door say "I can do it, but you just do it better than I can", I think were getting suckered here Mike, they just don't like to sharpen chain!