A stihl dealers response

[Philbert]

That blue looks pretty cool. If I owned a Stihl that those covers fit on I'd order a set

That is one of the issues I have heard with many clone products - getting replacement / repair parts. If they are exact copies, that may not be an issue. But 'dealer support' may be meaningless term. I noted, for example, that several of the cheap ($30 - $40) chain grinders looked similar, but had enough differences to make parts swapping a problem. Different factories?

Maybe someone makes clone parts for the popular clone products?

Philbert

 

[Gypo Logger]

England has a great way of dealing with clones.
I think they should roll them over, not knock them off.

 

[Gypo Logger]

Stihl knockoffs hitting CL
http://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/stihl-knock-offs-hitting-the-local-cl.123320/

 

[Philbert]

England has a great way of dealing with clones.

I agree with the concept, but it is still painful to see!

Philbert

 

[panteliss]

Can someone explain the diference between OEM and aftermarket ????? just saying

just because here you dont like theese garbage aftermarket saws- parts, but to the other thread you the same peoples say how good are and fit theese aftermarket chineese parts when you use them to yours private saws

 

[RIDE-RED 350r]

I think the point here is that some are attempting to pass these saws of as something they are not and charging for it. THAT is what people (to include myself) take issue with.

I don't go through alot of parts in general as I only now and then go through saws for other people. But, I do use some select aftermarket parts here and there, Meteor pistons being the main one. But clearly some AM parts are very good while others, not so much.

While I don't have experience first hand whether parts of chinese origin are good or not, I am generally leery of chinese parts. I have worked on some chinese youth sized ATV's in recent years and while they gave a good try at cloning Japanese lay-down ATV engines (Honda) you can clearly see the difference in quality, not just in the engine, but the entire ATV. Compare a few year old Chinese youth ATV to 30 year old comparable Honda, the difference is stark.

 

[panteliss]

didn't know Harbor Freight made chainsaws too ....

What place in the Rockwell scale have the SNAP ON tools ???

 

[stihl sawing]

The poulans are made in arkansas

Well they must be a really good saw then.

 

[stihl sawing]

Didn't Tillitson used to make carbs.

 

[RIDE-RED 350r]

Didn't Tillitson used to make carbs.

I think they still do???? Or am I wrong?

 

[Philbert]

'Aftermarket' by itself does not mean 'poor quality'. But the 'knock-off' / 'clones' made to look alike, without respect to quality, are an issue. Especially, if they are passed off / presented as 'identical' or OEM parts.

Philbert

 

[RIDE-RED 350r]

In addition, to be fair and honest, I recently acquired a blown Husky 55 open port for less than a song.

Just for the heck of it, I am considering trying a kit from Huztl. I think it might be fun just to give it a whirl to see how cheaply I can make the saw run again and if I can make it run well... If the project fails miserably, the worst case scenario is that I'm only out 40 bucks. At which point I'll start over and pick up a better quality AM or OEM kit for it. I have a few higher caliber saws that will only get OEM or Meteor when the time comes for a rebuild.

BUT, I know going into it what product I am getting if I decide to give it a shot.

 

[panteliss]

I think the point here is that some are attempting to pass these saws of as something they are not and charging for it. THAT is what people (to include myself) take issue with.

I don't go through alot of parts in general as I only now and then go through saws for other people. But, I do use some select aftermarket parts here and there, Meteor pistons being the main one. But clearly some AM parts are very good while others, not so much.

While I don't have experience first hand whether parts of chinese origin are good or not, I am generally leery of chinese parts. I have worked on some chinese youth sized ATV's in recent years and while they gave a good try at cloning Japanese lay-down ATV engines (Honda) you can clearly see the difference in quality, not just in the engine, but the entire ATV. Compare a few year old Chinese youth ATV to 30 year old comparable Honda, the difference is stark.

oem means something that made under the standards , specifications, dimensions, materials that the factory order , so if the stihl tomorow make a deal with the meteor or with the chineese and order to them i want the pistons will be produce with this standards this piston is oem , no matter who made it

 

[stihl sawing]

I think they still do???? Or am I wrong?

They may do, I just remember that name for carbs years ago.

 

[RIDE-RED 350r]

oem means something that made under the standards , specifications, dimensions, materials that the factory order , so if the stihl tomorow make a deal with the meteor or with the chineese and order to them i want the pistons will be produce with this standards this piston is oem , no matter who made it

That is true, but I think chinese manufacturing standards in many cases are not quite yet up to par to meet the standards for certain parts made for certain high quality brands, Zama carbs notwithstanding.

Again, the piont of this thread not so much being "anti-AM parts" but that saws are being put together with clone parts of unknown origin and marketed as the real deal with a close to the real deal price tag.

Wouldn't you be a little upset of you just paid what you thought was a pretty good deal on a large displacement pro Stihl only to find out it's a clone?? Maybe it runs just as good, but I bet chances are that it doesn't....

I have followed some chinese P&C kit builds and seen some reports from members about insanely wide squish and very poor running due to it... Not saying it can't be made to run and for how cheap some kits are, what does one have to loose to give it a try. The thing here is that these kits generally are not being passed off as the genuine article in most cases.

 

[DSS]

They may do, I just remember that name for carbs years ago.

They still do. They're in Ireland

 

[DSS]

In addition, to be fair and honest, I recently acquired a blown Husky 55 open port for less than a song.

Just for the heck of it, I am considering trying a kit from Huztl. I think it might be fun just to give it a whirl to see how cheaply I can make the saw run again and if I can make it run well... If the project fails miserably, the worst case scenario is that I'm only out 40 bucks. At which point I'll start over and pick up a better quality AM or OEM kit for it. I have a few higher caliber saws that will only get OEM or Meteor when the time comes for a rebuild.

BUT, I know going into it what product I am getting if I decide to give it a shot.

Just don't expect to pull it out of the box and bolt it on. Check the port beveling and the plating. Huge squish is the biggest problem with some of these kits.

Hyway is making a closed port 55 kit now which seems to be getting good reviews

 

[RIDE-RED 350r]

Just don't expect to pull it out of the box and bolt it on. Check the port beveling and the plating. Huge squish is the biggest problem with some of these kits.

Hyway is making a closed port 55 kit now which seems to be getting good reviews

Duly noted, I have seen that recommended and plan to check squish and port beveling.

 

[stihl sawing]

They still do. They're in Ireland

I remember they was a pretty good carb, those saws might be decent. I'd try one. gotta be better than what I have now.

 

[Philbert]

Just for the heck of it, I am considering trying a kit from Huztl.

Check with some of the guys here first. @Spike60 said prices on OEM Husqvarna P&C kits dropped dramatically recently.

Philbert