461 vs 460?

[sawmikaze]

Only if it is in my way ,there is a forest i need to have clearcut out back also behind the crush pile ,stupid cottonwoods grow like weeds out there .

Whats the going rate for a lb of busted koncrete in port angeles ?

I cant give it away in picksburgh.

 

[junkman]

Whats the going rate for a lb of busted koncrete in port angeles ?

I cant give it away in picksburgh.

You fill the cars with it when crush them ,it make them heavier ,everyone knows that ,jeesh

 

[jmssaws]

I'm running low on flat top plastic.

 

[skip sail]

My dad bought the first 046 are dealor got in and I still have it,stock it was ok but not a huge difference over a 460,i ported it 10 years ago probably and it still is a good running saw but it like the other 460 I have hasn't been ran in years.

My 064 hybrid with a wrap weighs a couple ounces more than the 046 or 460 and will destroy one with any length bar.

Out of 30 loggers I know I can only think of one that ever uses a 70cc saw and it's a 461. In soft woods I can see its appeal with a long bar but they just don't get used here, the ones I have sold or ported all go or come from the forum.

in our horribly hard and dusty grey box and iron bark,i find the 461 bogging down a little when falling,particularly when making top cuts in the scarf.
Even with a brand new chain,its not as reliable in the cut as the 064,which is why i carry the 064 with me.
Bucking is fine,but when ripping down across fibres,as in making that top cut,i miss the torque of the larger saw.
Having said that,the 461 has had about 3 hrs run time in total,so im hoping it will wake up a bit,and once it settles in i will get a DP muffler on to it.

 

[jmssaws]

in our horribly hard and dusty grey box and iron bark,i find the 461 bogging down a little when falling,particularly when making top cuts in the scarf.
Even with a brand new chain,its not as reliable in the cut as the 064,which is why i carry the 064 with me.
Bucking is fine,but when ripping down across fibres,as in making that top cut,i miss the torque of the larger saw.
Having said that,the 461 has had about 3 hrs run time in total,so im hoping it will wake up a bit,and once it settles in i will get a DP muffler on to it.

Falling hardwoods I want the most powerful saw I have

 

[hseII]

Falling hardwoods I want the most powerful saw I have

And our Hardwoods pale in comparison to their hardwoods, or the South East Asia stuff Robin mentioned.

A 30-36" bar on a 106-120cc saw: No Thanks.

 

[MustangMike]

Jason, I will agree with that statement for most situations. However, a lot of the trees I'm asked to drop are "not right". Sometimes the bottoms are rotted out, sometimes they are just very irregular in shape. In those situations, if I have to reach to make my notch, I prefer a lighter saw. I have really appreciated having my 044 with the 28" light bar in several of those situations.

Also, the real savings with the bigger/faster saws is with the repetitive bucking and/or milling.

 

[hseII]

Jason, I will agree with that statement for most situations. However, a lot of the trees I'm asked to drop are "not right". Sometimes the bottoms are rotted out, sometimes they are just very irregular in shape. In those situations, if I have to reach to make my notch, I prefer a lighter saw. I have really appreciated having my 044 with the 28" light bar in several of those situations.

Also, the real savings with the bigger/faster saws is with the repetitive bucking and/or milling.

While I completely understand what you mean, if it's sketchy, I like reaching with a 36" or a 42".

 

[stihl saws]

While I completely understand what you mean, if it's sketchy, I like reaching with a 36" or a 42".

Very true. Every little bit helps. Hanger trees, especially when you have to cut from the butt.

 

[MustangMike]

While I completely understand what you mean, if it's sketchy, I like reaching with a 36" or a 42".

I'm talking about lifting the whole saw up, the longer bar won't help with that!

 

[stihl saws]

I'm talking about lifting the whole saw up, the longer bar won't help with that!

I agree with that. When it comes to my safety, I'll do it now and deal with the pain tomorrow. Getting old sucks.

 

[jmssaws]

Up until a couple years ago I cut timber and ported but now I just port,my back is shot and it got to where I couldn't anymore,I'll still go cut down every once in a while if a buddy needs a fill in man and when I do I run a 064 or 395,you get use to how a big saw cuts and it's very hard to use a smaller saw.

 

[Deets066]

I would be better off with a slow saw for falling.

My big saws cut faster than I can think!

 

[Jose A.S.T.S.]

I'm talking about lifting the whole saw up, the longer bar won't help with that!

In my experience though on sketch trees and reaching I like strong power, good long bar,making my cut no walking around crap its dangerous enough doing what we do and get out of Dodge.....imho.

 

[hseII]

In my experience though on sketch trees and reaching I like strong power, good long bar,making my cut no walking around crap its dangerous enough doing what we do and get out of Dodge.....imho.

Sì.

 

[ABarrick]

Reading all this makes me jealous. I wish I had trees around here to justify falling with a 461 or bigger saw... Lately my falling saw has been a Jred 2153 with a 16" bar. I have somewhere north of 450 eab killed ash trees on my property and I bet there's less than 20 of them that I couldn't flop with my 200t.

 

[MustangMike]

I agree with that. When it comes to my safety, I'll do it now and deal with the pain tomorrow. Getting old sucks.

My Mom has a sign ... "Don't complain about getting old, not everyone gets the opportunity"

 

[MustangMike]

Reading all this makes me jealous. I wish I had trees around here to justify falling with a 461 or bigger saw... Lately my falling saw has been a Jred 2153 with a 16" bar. I have somewhere north of 450 eab killed ash trees on my property and I bet there's less than 20 of them that I couldn't flop with my 200t.

I'm dreading the future, I really like Ash trees, and I've been seeing so many of them darn Emerald Ash Bores it makes me sick. I even killed 2 of them last week, and they are so fast I don't get more than one in 5 or 10 (but I got lucky and got two in a row a day apart).

My upstate property (50 Acres in the Catskills) is about 40% Ash. Not much death from the Bore yet, but I have seen a few of them up there. But Mother Nature's wind has been taking them down on a regular basis. My fear is they will never re grow, and they will be to my Grandchildren what the Chestnut is to us ... non existent! I'm thinking I may start storing the wood instead of burning it.

 

[Deets066]

This was a heavy leaner with about 3 inches of rot in the center

 

[jmssaws]

This was a heavy leaner with about 3 inches of rot in the center

Damn deeter your saw is stout!