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Part Two: The Intake Port

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Long duration without spitback, and max case compression for max transfer charge to boot. Rotary valves bring even more to the table in the area of precision in timing. Again I digress, but this saw porting theory talk has really helped me to better understand my bigger toys. :D
 

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Being that we are working with little engines that have no form of intake valve (reed or rotary) and no tuner pipes (well, for the most part, we are mainly talking work saws here) we are pretty limited on how aggressive we can go with the intake. If there were an intake valve of some kind that closes and traps that charge in the case the instant the piston starts moving downward rather than approaching closure of the intake port itself, we could really have some big power mills. Think about the HP a 125cc dirt bike makes compared to a 3120. Yeah there is more than just intake valves and tuner pipes involved, but it certainly plays a role I think. But I digress a bit and we have what we have.

I understand the intake enough to know that we don't want too much duration for fear of low case compression inevitably creating a slow and lazy transfer action as well as some loss of fuel atomization. But at the same time we want that case to get a good gulp of fuel/air too. All I can really say with confidence on this subject is that generally speaking most of us are looking at between 70 and 82 degrees BTDC plus or minus a degree or two for the most part. I can definitely understand why we need to be cautious not to give it too much intake duration. Besides freeporting, transfer is the first in line to suffer a loss in performance and efficiency. How to determine what is too much or how far one can take it, I do not yet fully know. Standing by to listen and learn. :)
Have a ponder on the Dolmar ps 6100 if you want a modern stratto saw that uses reed valves ....
 

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Have a ponder on the Dolmar ps 6100 if you want a modern stratto saw that uses reed valves ....

Must be I've been living under a rock as I was not aware the "other" German saw manufacturer is using reed valves... Interesting. Is the 6100 the only model that has a reed valve? Sure makes for alot of potential if you ask me. But at the same time it makes me wonder how aggressive you can go with it without an expansion chamber pipe to scavenge fuel from as my brother and I were discussing last night while texting.

So, is the intake phase of the series to include reed valves or no?? :aplastao:
 

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Must be I've been living under a rock as I was not aware the "other" German saw manufacturer is using reed valves... Interesting. Is the 6100 the only model that has a reed valve? Sure makes for alot of potential if you ask me. But at the same time it makes me wonder how aggressive you can go with it without an expansion chamber pipe to scavenge fuel from as my brother and I were discussing last night while texting.

So, is the intake phase of the series to include reed valves or no?? :aplastao:
I dont know of another modern saw to use them (others may)...Randy has a build thread on the 6100.
 

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Long duration without spitback, and max case compression for max transfer charge to boot. Rotary valves bring even more to the table in the area of precision in timing. Again I digress, but this saw porting theory talk has really helped me to better understand my bigger toys. :D

The beauty of a rotary valve is being able to close the intake at a different time then when it opens, or you can just stick a reed valve directly into the case and let the engine demand do what it wants. Like dis!

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I like to keep a narrower intake with around 160° of duration in most work saws. If they go to 170° on some I can deal with that. 180° on a few was too much and they were lazy. I do like to put bigger carbs on when possible without too much work.

A reed valve let's you have crazy duration without spitback. I want to say the 880 is somewhere around 190° total with a reed valve.
Why the narrower intake? Does this help to promote an overall "flow" from cycle to cycle? I could see this working well with a longer intake tract.
 

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I would think widening or squaring the window a little, exposing more of the skirt, would create a stronger vacuum pulse which wouldn't leave dead air in the intake tract. Because you're using more of the skirt to generate the vacuum. Am I off?
 

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The beauty of a rotary valve is being able to close the intake at a different time then when it opens, or you can just stick a reed valve directly into the case and let the engine demand do what it wants. Like dis!

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I would like this post twice if I could :D
 

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880 cylinder Adam Clarke welded the reed valve on that I have now
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Hay fields?if so what you cutting for cool season grass? Orchard grass, Timothy, Some really nice Johnson grass...

Yes....and yes. Yes, that too.

Have a ponder on the Dolmar ps 6100 if you want a modern stratto saw that uses reed valves ....

The reeds are just on the strato ports.
 
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