Oil questions...

[lilspenny]

So I can run my saw on bacon grease now?

I'm sure Stihl has already tested that. Oh wait, Stihl Ultra IS green.

 

[Partner]

Somewhere I have photos of the muffler inside with the lard so I need to add cracklings I don't know if I published it here

 

[lilspenny]

Two cycle oils dont have VI improvers..

I was wonder about that, so I Googled a bit and found some info,

https://minglanchem.com/what-are-some-examples-of-viscosity-index-improvers/?srsltid=AfmBOopcdGxMs12nThHgZoM_uqWCPBBBqbdwwJsLN0n26adYcqxNcxfl

which led me to looking up Echo Red Armor's composition, which showed polybutene. So, I Googled (polybutene viscosity improver) Well, it seems that polybutene can be used as a viscosity improver, which is also known as a viscosity index improver. I rely on you for good information. Your thoughts?

Two cycle oils dont have VI improvers..

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Two cycle oils dont have VI improvers..

Bwalker, I was looking up polybutene ( in Echo Red Armor 2 cycke oil ) and other chemically related substances and from what I read it seems that polybutene can indeed be used as a vii. So since it is in Red Armor 2 cycle oil would it not only act as a smoke reducer but also as a viscosity modifier/viscosity index improver?

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Two cycle oils dont have VI improvers..

I have a question... Since polybutene is widely used as a viscosity index improver as well as a smoke reducer and dispersant is it not performing the role of a viscosity index improver in Echo Red Armor? How does it not perform such a role of vii in 2 cycle oil if part of the composition?

 

[fredx]

I don't know if there is another oil on the shelf at the Stihl dealer

@ my dealer there is- several different oils

 

[Motorka]

With all the knowledge you could make jour own oils... or for beginning blend two or three types .

 

[MtnHaul]

So I can run my saw on bacon grease now?

That bacon grease belongs on toast--delicious!

 

[redneckhillbilly]

grandpa would put bacon grease on the stumps he wanted rid of, come fall the bears would literaly eat the stumps.

 

[bwalker]

I was wonder about that, so I Googled a bit and found some info,

https://minglanchem.com/what-are-some-examples-of-viscosity-index-improvers/?srsltid=AfmBOopcdGxMs12nThHgZoM_uqWCPBBBqbdwwJsLN0n26adYcqxNcxfl

which led me to looking up Echo Red Armor's composition, which showed polybutene. So, I Googled (polybutene viscosity improver) Well, it seems that polybutene can be used as a viscosity improver, which is also known as a viscosity index improver. I rely on you for good information. Your thoughts?



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Bwalker, I was looking up polybutene ( in Echo Red Armor 2 cycke oil ) and other chemically related substances and from what I read it seems that polybutene can indeed be used as a vii. So since it is in Red Armor 2 cycle oil would it not only act as a smoke reducer but also as a viscosity modifier/viscosity index improver?

[Hot Item] Polybutene Lubricant Viscosity Index Improver Additive Pib Polyisobutene with The Low Molecular Weight

Certification: CCIC, REACH Environmental Protection: Yes Color: Transparent Appearance: Liquid Kind: Polyisobutene Application: Lubricant Additives

minglanchemical.en.made-in-china.com

------

and from the dl chemical company website....

2025

The world best POLYISOBUTYLENE

• C-PB
• HRPB

Product Features
Eco-friendly ProductsNon-toxic, non-irritating productsSuperior chemical stabilityChemical stability to heat, reagents, and UVPerformance EnhancementMaximize product performance for industrial lubricant applications as Viscosity Modifiers (VM) and Viscosity Index Improvers (VII).

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I have a question... Since polybutene is widely used as a viscosity index improver as well as a smoke reducer and dispersant is it not performing the role of a viscosity index improver in Echo Red Armor? How does it not perform such a role of vii in 2 cycle oil if part of the composition?

Poly iso butene is used in almost all modern two cycle oils as a anti scuff additive. Its what replaced Brite stock in the old two cycle oils because it burns very clean. Its not used as a VI improver in 2 cycle oils.
VI improver are used in multigrade 4 cycle motor oils to provide the span from the low number to the high. If that makes sense.

 

[bwalker]

I was wonder about that, so I Googled a bit and found some info,

https://minglanchem.com/what-are-some-examples-of-viscosity-index-improvers/?srsltid=AfmBOopcdGxMs12nThHgZoM_uqWCPBBBqbdwwJsLN0n26adYcqxNcxfl

which led me to looking up Echo Red Armor's composition, which showed polybutene. So, I Googled (polybutene viscosity improver) Well, it seems that polybutene can be used as a viscosity improver, which is also known as a viscosity index improver. I rely on you for good information. Your thoughts?



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Bwalker, I was looking up polybutene ( in Echo Red Armor 2 cycke oil ) and other chemically related substances and from what I read it seems that polybutene can indeed be used as a vii. So since it is in Red Armor 2 cycle oil would it not only act as a smoke reducer but also as a viscosity modifier/viscosity index improver?

[Hot Item] Polybutene Lubricant Viscosity Index Improver Additive Pib Polyisobutene with The Low Molecular Weight

Certification: CCIC, REACH Environmental Protection: Yes Color: Transparent Appearance: Liquid Kind: Polyisobutene Application: Lubricant Additives

minglanchemical.en.made-in-china.com

------

and from the dl chemical company website....

2025

The world best POLYISOBUTYLENE

• C-PB
• HRPB

Product Features
Eco-friendly ProductsNon-toxic, non-irritating productsSuperior chemical stabilityChemical stability to heat, reagents, and UVPerformance EnhancementMaximize product performance for industrial lubricant applications as Viscosity Modifiers (VM) and Viscosity Index Improvers (VII).

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I have a question... Since polybutene is widely used as a viscosity index improver as well as a smoke reducer and dispersant is it not performing the role of a viscosity index improver in Echo Red Armor? How does it not perform such a role of vii in 2 cycle oil if part of the composition?

Its not used as a dispersent in two cycle oil. It is used as a clean burning low smoke base oil. And no, its not a viscosity improver because red armor is not a multi grade four cycle oil.
Of course there are different grades and weights of PIB used for different purposes.
PIB is also the product used in bar oil that provides the tachiness. Sometimes called paratach.

 

[lilspenny]

Its not used as a dispersent in two cycle oil. It is used as a clean burning low smoke base oil. And no, its not a viscosity improver because red armor is not a multi grade four cycle oil.
Of course there are different grades and weights of PIB used for different purposes.
PIB is also the product used in bar oil that provides the tachiness. Sometimes called paratach.

Thanks for your reply!

 

[lilspenny]

Poly iso butene is used in almost all modern two cycle oils as a anti scuff additive. Its what replaced Brite stock in the old two cycle oils because it burns very clean. Its not used as a VI improver in 2 cycle oils.
VI improver are used in multigrade 4 cycle motor oils to provide the span from the low number to the high. If that makes since

Yes, thank-you sir! I'm glad you could answer. Edit starts here. You are a "sir", right? lol

 

[bwalker]

Thanks for your reply!

In addition, PIB's used in two cycle oils are designed such that the "unzip" cleanly into combustible gasses once they reach a certain temp. Esters do the same sort of thing.
PIB's used in VII for 4 cycle oils are designed for the opposite. They are designed to be extremely stabil and sheer resistant.

 

[Partner]

grandpa would put bacon grease on the stumps he wanted rid of, come fall the bears would literaly eat the stumps.

There are no bears here get me about 2

 

[Partner]

Us is a free country I have 2 dealers Stihl within 5 miles and neither of them has it

 

[EFSM]

Yes, thank-you sir! I'm glad you could answer. Edit starts here. You are a "sir", right? lol

Ben Walker, last I checked.

 

[Tomos770]

@lilspenny .....to enlighten you....since you are such an Ultra fan (was banned on BITOG in the past....so can not comment there)

Stihl Ultra in UK is still ISO L-EGB.....

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/best-2-stroke-oil.391266/page-4#post-7455708

Proof: https://www.stihl.co.uk/en/ap/hp-ultra-two-stroke-engine-oil-1467

• Performance standard: JASO-FD, ISO-L-EGB, oil/fuel ratio 1:50

If it is ISO L-EGB.....then it can not magically be JASO FD.....since JASO &ISO are almost the same standards ...

 

[huskihl]

@lilspenny .....to enlighten you....since you are such an Ultra fan (was banned on BITOG in the past....so can not comment there)

Stihl Ultra in UK is still ISO L-EGB.....

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/best-2-stroke-oil.391266/page-4#post-7455708

Proof: https://www.stihl.co.uk/en/ap/hp-ultra-two-stroke-engine-oil-1467

• Performance standard: JASO-FD, ISO-L-EGB, oil/fuel ratio 1:50

If it is ISO L-EGB.....then it can not magically be JASO FD.....since JASO &ISO are almost the same standards ...

It’s fb rated.
There is an HP Super that is FD rated but not available in the US

 

[lilspenny]

@lilspenny .....to enlighten you....since you are such an Ultra fan (was banned on BITOG in the past....so can not comment there)

Stihl Ultra in UK is still ISO L-EGB.....

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/best-2-stroke-oil.391266/page-4#post-7455708

Proof: https://www.stihl.co.uk/en/ap/hp-ultra-two-stroke-engine-oil-1467

• Performance standard: JASO-FD, ISO-L-EGB, oil/fuel ratio 1:50

If it is ISO L-EGB.....then it can not magically be JASO FD.....since JASO &ISO are almost the same standards ...

Yep...but it clearly says FD. The other day I checked and it said FB. Can't have it both ways unless a certification is lagging. I commented... asking Stihl about 4 days ago.... crickets.

 

[lilspenny]

It’s fb rated.
There is an HP Super that is FD rated but not available in the US

So, how did you get banned?

 

[huskihl]

So, how did you get banned?

@Tomos770