Mastermind Meets The MS400 C-M

[Mastermind]

18 years with only one saw?
Wow, that must'a been rough. lol

I spent a great many years with only an 028 before I found out that it wasn't possible to cut all my firewood with only a 50cc antique.

 

[Sawdust Man]

When l was in my teens l cut brush and grass for fence lines with a 3120xp w/ 36" bar, cause that was all we had at the time.
It worked....

 

[pwheel]

I appreciate all the good information about the ms400, about which I previously knew nothing. Thank you. As far as prices for professional-grade chainsaws and parts, I was told by a tree service owner that they're the cheapest tools on the job besides rigging lines. My take is they're cost-effective, reliable, and enjoyable to run despite the occasional user error.

Also, judging by the sorry crews that I've seen clearing the high-voltage transmission line right of way that runs through our property, I wouldn't allow them a rusty hacksaw.

 

[lehman live edge slab]

Part of it is (as Randy points out) the work ethic in this Country is dying.

Part of it is the Unions, which were both good and necessary at a time, have mostly become corrupt.

And then, on top of it, is the government regulations, which are often absurd.

Just look at the MTA or government housing, with tons of money pumped in, and nothing but Shi* coming out!

If we could produce quality products that did not cost multiple times what chinses stuff cost, we could win back a lot of buyers.

When an American product cost 5 times what a Chinese product costs, folks are going to take their chances, and sometimes they will win, and sometimes they will lose.

Not going to happen because where you getting the employees that will work for 2-3$ and hour. And if you could where would they live other than corporate houses as corporate slaves. The mines up here before they got unionized all had the miners live in a mine house you bought your goods at the mine store and paid for your own tools to mine ore and make the company money. If you can find someone dumb enough to go along with that without forcing them to do it you’ll have your competitive price parts.

 

[MustangMike]

Hey, I have seen both sides, and I tried to express that in my post, but that said, there is currently far too much corruption in the unions, many have become political fund raisers.

On the other side of the fence, I worked for a moving company that the owner would send you out in a truck with bad brakes, because in his mind and idle truck was lost money. So, when two guys went to West Virginia and had to bail out of the truck when it would not stop on a long downhill, one of them broke and arm (luckily, the other one fared better). Then he wanted to know if we could teach the guy with the broken arm how to drive a forklift with one arm.

When he sensed our collective reaction, he left the warehouse fast.

 

[lehman live edge slab]

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I have taken a stock RS chain, ground it on my Simington and increased cut speed by 38%. That's a better chain.

This alone is why I don't usually watch any saw videos, or bother posting videos. People are generally very dishonest these days, and will do anything to make their work look better. Think for a minute about all the ways you could make a saw look faster than it really is to a video camera.[/QUOTE like making it look like a handful when making a cut ? I recall a banned member that did that.

 

[lehman live edge slab]

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Don’t why my post didn’t work but was saying like a former member that made his saws look unmanageable. I have a stock 400 but hasn’t been above zero much so very limited use.

 

[redline4]

I spent a great many years with only an 028 before I found out that it wasn't possible to cut all my firewood with only a 50cc antique.

A pair of Mac 610's followed by a pair of 029's.
Still have both Mac's and Dad still has his 029.
Dad heated with nothing but wood from the late 70's right up until probably 2010.
And the "big" bar was a 20"...

 

[lehman live edge slab]

026 with a 20” bar heated out house the entire time from when I was 13 up till the boiler went. When I was in my late 20’s early 30’s, I also helped neighbors cut their wood for side money and a bit of logging for a friends dad on their 120 acres. Before the 026 it was a old pair of 041’s from a logger that were well used.

 

[calcutta250]

these two statements are at odds with each other. Right of way cutting (especially felling) in most cases is going to be more demanding than standard firewood cutting.

I just read that somewhere. I might of read it wrong or be remembering it wrong.

 

[Loony661]

I’m bringing up the coated pistons thing again..

So it’s my understanding, that in an internal combustion engine, a simple theory was explained to me like this: 33% of the combustion is LOST to heat absorption, 33% is LOST to parasitic/frictional losses (to drive the piston/crank), and 33% is useable power... SO, with that being said, any type of coating that decreases friction, or keeps heat in the combustion chamber, makes the engine more efficient!

Now for a short but significant time of my life, I worked at an engine shop as an engine machinist and builder. We built all sorts of engines, from dragsters, sprint cars, pulling tractors, hot rods, etc... Piston and combustion chamber coatings were just coming of age (back around 2008 or so) and were being used in a lot of high-end racing applications. Coating the combustion chambers, piston tops, and valves keeps the heat from being absorbed into the parent materials, allowing a more complete burn. And anti-friction coatings on the piston skirts is self explanatory, but still useful to reduce extra heat/friction loss. In fact, in V8’s they even started coating the crank and rod bearings with slippery coatings to prevent minute frictional losses.. I guess my point is, although costly, coatings serve to make our engines more efficient by keeping heat where it needs to be to make power, and also to reduce friction.

Lastly, that being said about heat: it is a common misconception in the hot rodder’s world to keep an engine cool - by way of installing colder opening thermostats. While 180 and 165 degree thermo’s have their applications, for most engines this actually reduces power and the efficiency of the burn, by robbing too much heat. Things to think about..

 

[huskihl]

Lastly, that being said about heat: it is a common misconception in the hot rodder’s world to keep an engine cool - by way of installing colder opening thermostats. While 180 and 165 degree thermo’s have their applications, for most engines this actually reduces power and the efficiency of the burn, by robbing too much heat. Things to think about..

Heat (controlled and in the right places) is power

 

[East/West CADaddict]

Just watched video saying $260+(weird CA maple leaf money) for a 400i wrap handle set up. Holy schnikes that's a no spit dry arse raping of a price. That'd put that saw close to a grand for a 66cc wrap saw.

 

[Loony661]

Heat (controlled and in the right places) is power

In engine school, they also described to us how, because of heat loss, an aluminum block V8 loses 20-30% of its power compared to a cast iron blocked, identical engine. But in certain applications, such as drag racing, the weight savings are worth the loss of power... Maybe they should make chainsaw cylinders out of Magnesium and plate the bore for longevity - if the cylinder absorbs less heat, more is contained in the combustion chamber - more power is made.. STIHL, you can make that check out to...

 

[Ford3000]

I'd like that.



Never gonna happen.

Sadly

 

[lehman live edge slab]

Just watched video saying $260+(weird CA maple leaf money) for a 400i wrap handle set up. Holy schnikes that's a no spit dry arse raping of a price. That'd put that saw close to a grand for a 66cc wrap saw.

Same wrap as a 362 and yes the kit is like 220-250$ depending

 

[Ford3000]

Seems to be getting worse…It seems like FB is a catalyst for the rapid decline in intelligence.

Intelligence is simply being bread out, third generation of them here, all around me, I cringe when I see what is out there. Am a positive person, but I can not lie to myself and falsely see intelligence where none exists.

 

[Ford3000]

It seems to me they needed to get the mass of the piston down to be able to create the 14k rpm.
Magnesium is very almost impossible to combust unless its in fine particles.
The ceramic coating is the key I think. It has less friction than bare Al. It it very very hard. And it cam withstand a huge amount of heat before breakdown.
Which brings me to my point. I read somewhere that this was designed for Canadian tree fellers along a right of way or whatever. I feel as the saw is more meant for shorter run times than firewood run times and stress.
But geez it’s a sweet saw. I’d love to have one. I had the opportunity to buy one for 879 I think. But I’m doing echo and husky right now. Oh and a Homelite.

Peace peoples.

Its a pro saw, am sure it will be able to run all day, otherwise loggers would be buying the firewood homeowner range if there was any evidence they were able to take more stress and run longer hours, which we all know is not so.

 

[East/West CADaddict]

Same wrap as a 362 and yes the kit is like 220-250$ depending

Not the same apparently. Has a different mount for motor as well as a bracket for underneath. The bonus is that it comes with a larger west coast clutch cover. And I think it was $272 Canadian doll hairs

 

[lehman live edge slab]

Not the same apparently. Has a different mount for motor as well as a bracket for underneath. The bonus is that it comes with a larger west coast clutch cover. And I think it was $272 Canadian doll hairs

Hmm thought it was the same kit, the 362 kit is a wrap handle with west coast style clutch cover and heavier springs if I remember right. But maybe it’s different sounds kinda stupid on stihls part since they already make the 362 kit and a 400 is based off the 362.