Chain talk

[XP_Slinger]

Keeps the tooth engaged a little longer. Cut a cookie and kill the saw in the cut and break the cookie off while leaving the saw. You'll see where chips ride and all the cutters doing their thing

Never thought of doing that...thanks for the info Mike.

 

[Stump Shot]

Keeps the tooth engaged a little longer. Cut a cookie and kill the saw in the cut and break the cookie off while leaving the saw. You'll see where chips ride and all the cutters doing their thing

Positively brilliant.

 

[Red97]

One of these days, I'll attempt square filing. May just wait out a good square grinder lol...

I have patience for certain things, not sure if chain filing it one of em.

 

[jmssaws]

I just started filing square and aren't very good at it but it's still better than the ground ones I've used,I ain't ran a ground chain yet that was faster than a hand filed one.

 

[hseII]

This is the chain I am working on...

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Corn Conveyor?

 

[Mastermind]

One of these days, I'll attempt square filing. May just wait out a good square grinder lol...

I have patience for certain things, not sure if chain filing it one of em.

I'm not ever going to be a square filer.....it's just not on my list of stuff I have time for.

 

[PA Dan]

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Looks like it's going to be a race chain!

 

[CR888]

I love a good square filed chain but until I have a Simington work chains are round ground off the 511. I somtimes hand file square but that's for fun not work. At the end of the day spending ya nights hand filing opposed to 20mins doing chains on a grinder gets old fast.

 

[czar800]

Looks like it's going to be a race chain!

In a slow race......

 

[Guido Salvage]

Corn Conveyor?

Hart Carter auto feeder on an 80+ year old Frick threshing machine.

 

[czar800]

Hart Carter auto feeder on an 80+ year old Frick threshing machine.

Nice!

 

[greendohn]

I tried a few tips and tricks from a thread on AS,,I think it was Andydodgegeek started it a couple years ago.
(I use an old Foley Belsaw grinder.)
Full skip chain, knocked the rakers back and thinned them, and took a little out of the tie straps on the top edge, think a figure 8 lying horizontal, and changed from 32 degrees to something like 22 1/2 degrees.
^^these details are from a couple years ago^^ and may not be accurate on the angles.
Anywho,,24" b/c combo with the mod. chain on an approximately 20" pignut Hickory and was making like 10-12 seconds cuts,,very fast to this firewood hack.
It dulled very quickly and was the end of my modifying chains.

What I took away from the thread and my playing around was, making room for the chips to clear is the joo-joo in making a faster chain.
I dunno.

 

[big t double]

As usual I was over thinking it.

I got this bowling pin see.....

 

[junkman]

I'm not ever going to be a square filer.....it's just not on my list of stuff I have time for.

Once the chain is filed once to fit the contour of your file ,2-3 light swipes will "touch it up" every couple of tanks .
Here is a demo vid i tried a while back ,was kinda blurry at end though .,Not really any slower to file than round in my opinion .

And here is the same chain from vid in a photo ,notice the side of the cutter is up and down ,i aim for this angle in square ,it is smoother than a hook is ,it slices instead of tearing the wood this way
Edit :,the up and down side cutter also makes the outer corner stronger ,because it is not so pointy and fragile ,i bet my top plates are in the 15-20 degree range also if i measured them instead of traditional 30 people use .

 

[concretegrazer]

And here is the same chain from vid in a photo ,notice the side of the cutter is up and down ,i aim for this angle in square ,it is smoother than a hook is ,it slices instead of tearing the wood this way.

+1

This one is pretty rough in the cut.

 

[mdavlee]

They can be rough in the cut if they're real aggressive. I hope to make a sycamore can't when I get back home

 

[junkman]

+1

This one is pretty rough in the cut.


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Looks like a racing chain though .
I run a 32 inch bar on a stihl 440 chassis with a 460 cylinder ,the less hook the better to keep the power up in the cut for work ,it still cuts plenty fast ,i can actually get a good solid 2-3 hours sometimes on one sharpen as long as wood is clean ,not swapping chains all the time is more important than a second in a cut to me ,i also run tall rakes ,i hear of guys taking 2 swipes on a new chain ,that makes me cringe ,just a bandaid to make it cut faster in my opinion ,i hate a grabby pulling chain ,when the chips get 3/4 to an inch long i file the rakes 2 swipes ,normally do not touch them for 3-5 sharpens ,depending how much it takes to clean the chain on the grinder .Full skip also helps lower powered saws pull a longer bar ,i mainly like the skip on long bars because less teeth to sharpen .I do not normally touch the gullets on square till have 3-4 sharpens also ,a waste of time in my opinion to do every sharpen .

 

[Redfin]

+1

This one is pretty rough in the cut.


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Thinks its from the hook on the cutter or the guide being thinned?

 

[malk315]

I would recommend homelite410 vice to anyone attempting square ground . His vice works awesome ! @Homelite410

I second this! I'm only doing round file, but when filing w/ saw bar in a vise the powerhead can affect me by being in the way in one direction along w/ me being a lefty it compounds the problem. Bar in the other direction is my strong side -- can end up taking more off teeth on strong side. When I want to get a really good edge I take the chain off and use the @Homelite410 chain vise -- it helps to have less of strong/weak side and the teeth are held super rigid so you get much more precise with each stroke. I file every time I go out -- on the bar when in a hurry. When a chain takes a hit (staples or nails or whatever in yard trees) I get out my trusty @Homelite410 vise and have at it. I use a husky roller guide for angle and depth in the gullet and the vise has a relief cut so the roller guide can fit. Also use oregon center drop depth gauge tool at 0.025 but take a little more off when cutting pine. Get nice big chips out of my 262 and 372... nothing more satisfying than a pile of chips and a saw that self feeds... some norway maple was cutting real nice last weekend.

 

[junkman]

Thinks its from the hook on the cutter or the guide being thinned?

I thinned the rakes one time like that ,it caused a lot of drag because they dug in/dragged too much