Building a Garage

[KiwiBro (deleted)]

I've met some knowledgeable BI's over the years but, they are far, & few between. Most I've encountered, don't know anything they haven't read in a book, & have little understanding of the difference between, book & practical application.

The best one's I've ever met were unsuccessful contractors. Nothing like having someone who couldn't make it in a trade, tell other tradesman how it should be done...lol

BTW.... Those hurricane straps on your trusses are a good thing imo. Screws don't have much shear strength, & I have seen some trusses move, that were simply nailed to the top plate, or screwed.

I do butt joints the way you described. I've done beams supporting roofs that way with, 3 or 4 nails (16d) vertically, every 12".

Extreme wind zones I understand the strapping, but in most other zones I'd love to have screw connections tested. The lateral load required to shear a 14g screw (our batten screws here are 14g, for example) is significant.

 

[Dustin4185]

Funny how much the rules change from one area to another. If I were to build a house I would use superior walls for the basement.
Now that I think about it, many use foam under floors especially with radiant heating in them, wonder why they allow that here, but not on the walls .

That is a good system, but I was worried about the sealant. We were about to break ground on a house using Superior Walls and a job opportunity came up with an Agency house. It isn't our dream house, but has allowed us a lot more opportunities for our kids.

 

[Dustin4185]

BTW.... Those hurricane straps on your trusses are a good thing imo. Screws don't have much shear strength, & I have seen some trusses move, that were simply nailed to the top plate, or screwed.

Have you saw/used the newest fandangled truss connector screws by Simpson. Around here the BI backs them out to make sure they were installed at the correct angle if they weren't driven from the bottom up (if studs aren't in the way).

So let me get this right, a screw has the highest grip when driven the first time, so back it out and loose some of the grip strength? WTF?

I just assume use hurricane straps now that I bought a Bostitch MC gun.

 

[chipper1]

That is a good system, but I was worried about the sealant. We were about to break ground on a house using Superior Walls and a job opportunity came up with an Agency house. It isn't our dream house, but has allowed us a lot more opportunities for our kids.

I attended their contractors program and its a great product.
We're you concerned about the VOC's or just it lasting, they set up a lot of large commercial buildings using a similar selant between tall slab walls set up on site, I haven't seen them working on them and I've been around that type of building a good bit, but they may have to redo it, can't last forever or can it lol.
Glad you found a good gig. I was getting ready to build, then the economy fell apart so I snagged this place up for less than I was going to pay for the land. Keep saving and maybe you'll have the same opportunity come up for you.

 

[Viper21]

Have you saw/used the newest fandangled truss connector screws by Simpson. Around here the BI backs them out to make sure they were installed at the correct angle if they weren't driven from the bottom up (if studs aren't in the way).

So let me get this right, a screw has the highest grip when driven the first time, so back it out and loose some of the grip strength? WTF?

I just assume use hurricane straps now that I bought a Bostitch MC gun.

No. I haven't even seen em, let alone use em. Whenever I'm setting trusses, I either put a couple 16d nails, or a couple screws to secure to the top plate, & then come back with the simpson ties, & a palm nailer

 

[KiwiBro (deleted)]

Have you saw/used the newest fandangled truss connector screws by Simpson. Around here the BI backs them out to make sure they were installed at the correct angle if they weren't driven from the bottom up (if studs aren't in the way).

So let me get this right, a screw has the highest grip when driven the first time, so back it out and loose some of the grip strength? WTF?

I just assume use hurricane straps now that I bought a Bostitch MC gun.

I use and like the Simpson quik drive for decking screws bay hadn't heard much about the screws you mentioned so went looking. That's pretty much what I was thinking of for connecting the bottom cord of trusses to top/capping plates. Just some big screws. Just shoot the trusses in place then come back and screw them off. Granted, not for extreme wind zones where really should have some good connections top to bottom, but the screw idea is just one example of so many where if a collective of builders funded the testing, the companies making various connectors might not be happy. I'm all for stuff that makes it faster, easier or better, regardless of what it is or who made it. I don't believe for a second businesses these days have all the best solutions.

 

[chipper1]

Thinking about you boys today. Had a couple saws to ship and I saw the crane set up in town so I stopped for a min so my son could watch them, snapped a pic for you all.
These had what looked like a styrofoam fill in the middle, flat on the edges. I'll swing by to see how they seal these ones up.
The boys were hopping on the site today with the crane there.

 

[Marshy]

Welp, I may never build a garage. Just signed a contract for Anderson windows to replace 11 windows and 3 double doors, one of which is an 8' with a 2' transom.
To cope I bought a handle of Tito's and some rebull.

 

[Dustin4185]

I use and like the Simpson quik drive for decking screws bay hadn't heard much about the screws you mentioned so went looking. That's pretty much what I was thinking of for connecting the bottom cord of trusses to top/capping plates. Just some big screws. Just shoot the trusses in place then come back and screw them off. Granted, not for extreme wind zones where really should have some good connections top to bottom, but the screw idea is just one example of so many where if a collective of builders funded the testing, the companies making various connectors might not be happy. I'm all for stuff that makes it faster, easier or better, regardless of what it is or who made it. I don't believe for a second businesses these days have all the best solutions.

Around here, they are code now.

 

[Dustin4185]

I attended their contractors program and its a great product.
We're you concerned about the VOC's or just it lasting, they set up a lot of large commercial buildings using a similar selant between tall slab walls set up on site, I haven't seen them working on them and I've been around that type of building a good bit, but they may have to redo it, can't last forever or can it lol.
Glad you found a good gig. I was getting ready to build, then the economy fell apart so I snagged this place up for less than I was going to pay for the land. Keep saving and maybe you'll have the same opportunity come up for you.

Not worried about VOCs. Mainly the fact that if a seam was to go bad, you couldn’t really fix it. Tip Up walls are above grade and can always be resealed. I guess if a man came back and properly waterproofed the walls “just in case”, it would be fine. My contact/salesman said that wasn’t needed. We will build one day, but it will be one level with a large detached garage/shop/man cave.

 

[chipper1]

Not worried about VOCs. Mainly the fact that if a seam was to go bad, you couldn’t really fix it. Tip Up walls are above grade and can always be resealed. I guess if a man came back and properly waterproofed the walls “just in case”, it would be fine. My contact/salesman said that wasn’t needed. We will build one day, but it will be one level with a large detached garage/shop/man cave.

When I went thru the class here they said you didn't need to seal it because it was a high psi concrete, but Building codes here said different when I contacted them even telling them what I planned to use. Most standard walls I see here end up with cracks anyway so it's more about grade/drainage than anything else as when you have cracks in the walls the "waterproofing" gets cracks too. I'd like a large detached garage, looking forward to it.

 

[J.Walker]

Finished setting all the 25 trusses for my barn today. The trusses are 24' long and over 12' up.
I person was pushing the truss up, one on each end to hold and nail and a monkey in the webbing in the middle.
Going to order the metal roofing and trim now. Hope to have the roof on before x-mas.

 

[Marshy]

Finished setting all the 25 trusses for my barn today. The trusses are 24' long and over 12' up.
I person was pushing the truss up, one on each end to hold and nail and a monkey in the webbing in the middle.
Going to order the metal roofing and trim now. Hope to have the roof on before x-mas.

Better hurry! Snow is coming.

 

[J.Walker]

I plan on having two 9'x9 rollup doors. anyone here got any experence with rollup doors vs overheads track doors?

 

[Viper21]

I plan on having two 9'x9 rollup doors. anyone here got any experence with rollup doors vs overheads track doors?

Not a fan of roll up doors. Much prefer standard overhead doors. When I built my garage, I put an 8 x 12 ohd. A buddy put rollup in his. He ended up swapping them out for overhead. I hope to build a barn next year. I'll again, be going with overhead. Cost a little more upfront but, a better door imo.

 

[Viper21]

Better hurry! Snow is coming.

Damn snow....! Got over a foot today

 

[KiwiBro (deleted)]

Not a fan of roll up doors. Much prefer standard overhead doors. When I built my garage, I put an 8 x 12 ohd. A buddy put rollup in his. He ended up swapping them out for overhead. I hope to build a barn next year. I'll again, be going with overhead. Cost a little more upfront but, a better door imo.

What if you've got a very high stud? If you hang the supports for the overhead door tracks off the roofing members that would occupy a large amount of overhead space that you can't swing tall things around in. Or am I not quite understanding it properly?

 

[Viper21]

What if you've got a very high stud? If you hang the supports for the overhead door tracks off the roofing members that would occupy a large amount of overhead space that you can't swing tall things around in. Or am I not quite understanding it properly?

If it's too tall to swing around, under the tracks, it's too tall to come in the door.

I've got 10' ceiling in mine. 8' tall door. Track, & opener are approx. 9' off the floor. Granted some but, not a lot of wasted space here.

The quality of the door, ease of opening, & closing, sealing, & insulating value, security, etc... made an OHD the choice for me. Even the appearance appealed to me. The roll ups appeared a "cheesy" option, for little savings.

I realize they appeal to some, I just couldn't find value in em.

 

[Marshy]

Damn snow....! Got over a foot today

Childs play. Pft.

 

[Carhartt]

Anyone have any experience building under ground or in the side of a mtn? Would like to do a bank barn style and high enough lower floor for auto lift. No room for crane to set walls. Did I mention mtn springs, so moisture is a definite.