AND the big guys didn't get it, and even when they understood the "nuance" of the changes in the new market place, they didn't understand how to react because their business model was SO wrapped around price points, service concepts, and the assumption "professionals" require professional level tools as defined by them, essentially market "vectors" derived from the tangible past... And the notion "real" customers would only look to them because obviously they, the "big" guys dominated market share by orders of magnitude. A few rose to the top...stayed there until.......something fundamentally changed. Lemecee........ Computervision, Prime, Autotrol, there were a pile of them that dominated the market place. Like IBM. Intergraph, SDRC, some blended into things like EDS. Fascinating story from those who are History buffs... Desault (Catia) is one of the last remaining big guys for big companies.....and the results of that shift have epic repercussions.... Ask Boeing.. SO any parallels with this? Hell yes! Will it turn out the same way? I have no idea, maybe maybe not..Only time will tell....but back to the question...
How can this possibly effect a thing?? But not to fret...Dell and HP still sell complete computers. But what an interesting time for the hobby types now.
I'm buckled in...but
The farm is still 6 hours from me
So the question stands, you like the 254 more than the 350's ... or its filling a gap?
and someone came up with this whole scheme...wish I knew who that was, I'd shake their hand hehe
who's mr hlsupply again?
Ahh the nuance..
This comment stirs the mind a bit, and three things immediately snap back from the ancient pits of lost memories....
1) One thing I know is those in the true saw business really don't understand or even care about the "motorsports" aspect of this, other than as "promotional" things like the Stihl pro series. The real time numbers in the industry show the past to this point in time, but things like this aren't on that radar screen therefore aren't in the calculation. IF there is a "shift" in their time/continuum then they will start looking for a reason. Too busy selling tools to folks who are looking for....tools. This while big right now on line doesn't effect the real world much.....right now...
2) Any CAD/CAM types here? Anyone know the "Autodesk" story & history?? And how that product / company went from toy to a dominant industry force?? Thats a story those in the saw business need to understand. A few very relevant and common to this phenomenon parallels in that story..
3) I think strong simple saws still have a place in this world. Not every world market is infected with EPA / Euro style rules and regulations. So as was stated I think it truly does depend on the intended market place. And the folks building these Kit saws look to other places to sell as well...interesting conversation. TY Mr. Simondo!
I want one!
My post contained lots of ? marks as im sure there are many wants/likes that could be filled. Knowing who will buy the next AM saw is the tricky thing for the makers . AM makers will make what they think will sell only IMO.
PS...groundies that are hard on kit are worldwide i bet !
I know you boys in OZ have it tough with price to !! Whatever the brand "Raw fuel" will do for it ...keep them away from your Dollys mate !
Lets just have these 200 group saws (242 254 262 272 288 ) back as a hole ...That should keep plenty happy along with some amount of part interchangeability and a supply of AM parts for those who still have and run the OEM ones .Was there really a "Bad" saw amongst them .I still 'WANT" the 346 and 357 as there (for me) still simple with the benefit of spring anti vibe.My question is what do WE want next..the 038 and one other have been in the works for a while. Really just look at the parts availability and you can guess their move relative to those....interesting insight into how folks process though isn't it?
I'll probably grab a 038 because everyone else will grab the 044's...
Me...like I've said I WANT a 254, that's not a guess as to what coming....simply a wish....
still wish they would copy one.
You dont like a German curved rump !? I always found that 028 038 042 ....... group , Perty .
You may remember /know that in the UK back in the 70s,80s the open top roadster went Waaaay un popular, partly due to its "so called" old fashioned way and partly due to the "Hot Hatch" cars.... Golf Gti , Ford XR 3 ..Peugeot 205 Gti ...etcAhh the nuance..
This comment stirs the mind a bit, and three things immediately snap back from the ancient pits of lost memories....
1) One thing I know is those in the true saw business really don't understand or even care about the "motorsports" aspect of this, other than as "promotional" things like the Stihl pro series. The real time numbers in the industry show the past to this point in time, but things like this aren't on that radar screen therefore aren't in the calculation. IF there is a "shift" in their time/continuum then they will start looking for a reason. Too busy selling tools to folks who are looking for....tools. This while big right now on line doesn't effect the real world much.....right now...
2) Any CAD/CAM types here? Anyone know the "Autodesk" story & history?? And how that product / company went from toy to a dominant industry force?? Thats a story those in the saw business need to understand. A few very relevant and common to this phenomenon parallels in that story..
3) I think strong simple saws still have a place in this world. Not every world market is infected with EPA / Euro style rules and regulations. So as was stated I think it truly does depend on the intended market place. And the folks building these Kit saws look to other places to sell as well...interesting conversation. TY Mr. Simondo!
