What should be the next AM kit saw?

[mdavlee]

What's the pin to crown of a 2100 piston?

 

[dustinwilt68]

How about a flippy cap thay fits a 346xp oil tank, I know it's not a complete saw but it is a part that I would buy several of. Put a set on my 288xp even.

 

[Czed]

Reasonable 288 coils hell even homelite coils would sell great.

 

[Mattyo]

Homelite 750 clone?

With a chainbrake?

 

[Iron.and.bark]

I may have missed this (not sure I've read the whole thread -- probably my fault). Is there a chinese clone at the moment of the 070?
If so could you post a link to the source or supplier?

Www.stihl.co.za

Find the ms 720 under forestry chainsaws

 

[srcarr52]

What's the pin to crown of a 2100 piston?

Taller than a 395, somewhere around 0.080" if I remember correctly.

 

[a. palmer jr.]

Ok... bill says longer rod in 254

Walt says 262 longer rod...

?

Sometimes a stroker engine will use a shorter rod so they can maintain the same deck height. It gets its longer stroke from the crankshaft.

 

[a. palmer jr.]

Since nobody's mentioned it: I'd kinda like to see an inexpensive version of the MS200T top handle saw. If you buy them from Stihl they're very pricey..Actually, I understand those saws are already in the works but not available yet..

 

[Mattyo]

the 200t's are mostly available, as far as I can see from hutzl ... but it doesn't look quite complete. its close. and yes, it would be THE top handle to clone.

 

[jake wells]

some dang echo coils for the older EVL saws would be great im sure they would sell
lots of good echo saws out there with dead coils that are NLA.

 

[David Young]

254.....60mm Conrod
262.....66mm conrod

 

[afleetcommand]

yep... saved me the trouble of sending out those cranks for a "proper" measurement... TY

( Still would like a remake of those under appreciated 254's...knowing it makes absolutely no business sense for anyone..unless they run a few 254's..A 254 will punch as hard as a 550 without the complexity. Tweaked of course )

 

[Mattyo]

Actually walt...I am possibly improperly assuming it doesn't make business sense...

I don't know if one was more popular back in their day... you don't have production numbers do you? 254 vs 262

 

[Mattyo]

Acresinternet doesn't show those numbers



Thanks david.

That 262 looks dirty....does it need a home?

 

[afleetcommand]

Actually walt...I am possibly improperly assuming it doesn't make business sense...

I don't know if one was more popular back in their day... you don't have production numbers do you? 254 vs 262

The 262 had to be more popular and shared parts with the 257. The 254 was a bit unique, an evolution of the 154. I guess they sold a lot of them but who's using them now? Nut cases like me...a small minority so no real market for them. Has to be more 262's still in use therefor more reasons to invest in tooling for replacement parts for the 262's. They had a different tank, although you can adapt I guess as the cases are about the same. The 262's have all different top plastic and intake related plastic due the different cylinder height. Just a lot of little things.....so unless they had a mind to sell whole saws, the 254 doesn't make any sense at all.

Bob had told me those were little hot rods...(254's) and he has a 154 that is an eye opener. But I didn't really expect much from them & didn't really internalize what Bob had been saying. A fellow at work has a family member working for one of those power line maintenance companies and had a pile of 254's, and then a shop sent me a couple more; like 8 or 9 between them total spanning their life as a product...early ones with the brass worm gear & aluminum seal holder, to later versions. Wanted me to see if I could scramble the pile into a couple of saws. I built 5 from that pile....then took the left over junk and built one for me. (yep..there is a couple of video's, think saw number one and 6 have video time) But learned that series because in that pile was every freaken wrinkle of that series! So they got spread around. Then a fellow working with the guys with the first pile blew up a 550...wanted to know if I could build him one of those 254's the same way I did the others.. (popup's & muffler mods & minor tweaks) so that started a ...trend. Won't go into the nitty gritty. But I have two now & another pile. One is on the tractor.. And I can go out, shake the snow off it and it will start on pull number 3.

SO working on this 036, it struck me there are a lot of similarities. BOTH closed port, simple, relatively light weight.....the 254 is smaller. And with a bit of compression they are snappy....smaller and lighter than the 262's AND the 036. Problem for me was the same group had a 262 and I repaired a 261. Really the big difference between the 261 & 262 seems to be the piston. But they wanted them bone stock, a restoration mentality because they were "cool" saws. The 254's go to work with them. The 262 stays on the shelf. Bottom line. And when I tested my "tweaked" 254's they were as strong as the 262's but are smaller and lighter....that it. Now I'm a fan. And will spend today debugging yet another 550 BTW....see my point? Liking those 242's and 254's more and more... SO...given the question what old/obsolete saws would I like? No brainer. 254 first choice. 242 second. Thats it...

 

[Simondo]

I had a look back at Walts opening post ...one point was that maybe we could take a look at this "After market saw " question ..not.. from the hobby side . I wonder... IF ...there is a strong market for the pro user? or is the AM saw more likely to appeal to the enthusiast /home firewood harvester and general saw user ?
Bit like the Kit car thing...if you drive for a living will you want a older design of car or a newer design ? + do you want to do the building /maintaining ?
I guess im thinking the sort of saw that will be popular ...May... be determined by its intended market .
Rhetorical question or not..

 

[dustinwilt68]

Top 3
1. 242xp
2. 288xp
3. 200 T

 

[Iron.and.bark]

I had a look back at Walts opening post ...one point was that maybe we could take a look at this "After market saw " question ..not.. from the hobby side . I wonder... IF ...there is a strong market for the pro user? or is the AM saw more likely to appeal to the enthusiast /home firewood harvester and general saw user ?
Bit like the Kit car thing...if you drive for a living will you want a older design of car or a newer design ? + do you want to do the building /maintaining ?
I guess im thinking the sort of saw that will be popular ...May... be determined by its intended market .
Rhetorical question or not..

Don't know if I qualify as a pro. Do make a living using older iron, would think if you could put a reliable repro big saw into the Aussie market it would do well assuming you could break through the stihl/husky barrier. 395/3120 or 660/880 are necessary for most operators and here atleast get killed quickly by dumb groudies

 

[David Young]

Acresinternet doesn't show those numbers



Thanks david.

That 262 looks dirty....does it need a home?

It's a carcass but I don't have much use for it. Pm me if you are interested

 

[Simondo]

Don't know if I qualify as a pro. Do make a living using older iron, would think if you could put a reliable repro big saw into the Aussie market it would do well assuming you could break through the stihl/husky barrier. 395/3120 or 660/880 are necessary for most operators and here atleast get killed quickly by dumb groudies

My post contained lots of ? marks as im sure there are many wants/likes that could be filled. Knowing who will buy the next AM saw is the tricky thing for the makers . AM makers will make what they think will sell only IMO.
PS...groundies that are hard on kit are worldwide i bet !