What oil is best? and what ratio?

[Deets066]

Pic of the piston Deets?

No, I didn't get one

 

[Keith Gandy]

I'll post the pics

Interested to see them Jason

 

[Deets066]

Jason gave me some Klotz to try, need to get the rest of this mix used up first though

 

[Deets066]

I've tried several times to send a saw to dyno, and it will run klotz and I guarantee it will make more power.

Ain't got nothing to do with the oil either.

I really wish I had the time to build a dyno. It would be priceless.

 

[junkman]

My saws looked nothin like that on 800, squeaky clean and wet. View attachment 14733

Obviously not fully combusting

With my finger saw it does that real wet and clean ,it does not fully combust and carbon the piston till high 15 k to low 16 k in the tune ,the fingers must wash stuff with extra fuel

 

[Ron660]

View attachment 14732

That must have been R50

 

[Ron660]

My saws looked nothin like that on 800, squeaky clean and wet. View attachment 14733

Obviously not fully combusting

Same with all my saws. Squeaky clean and wet.

 

[Ron660]

With my finger saw it does that real wet and clean ,it does not fully combust and carbon the piston till high 15 k to low 16 k in the tune ,the fingers must wash stuff with extra fuel

Yea I have bridge ports in my 660. Might help wash everything clean.

 

[Ron660]

I'll pop my 066 open tomorrow and see what's doin inside it.

It has had probably 8 or 10 gallons of super technoplate klotz at 40:1 through it since it's been together.


Any bets on what it looks like?

Completely black.

 

[CoreyB]

Looks like hp2

Who knows it might be just repackaged.

 

[Ron660]

View attachment 14732

I do remember that pic on AS. You said it wasn't a hard carbon buildup but was soft and wiped clean easy. Later you told me 800 was probably overall the best oil to use for cleanliness and lubrication. And R50 was very dirty only after a tank or so.
I'd bet ANY 2-cycle oil at 32:1 would never cause an engine failure. I know a Logger using cheap 2-cycle oil mixed with cheap ethanol gas and getting 4 yrs. out of his pro saws. He uses a saw more in a week or two than you or me will use in a year.

 

[Ron660]

Your right about both, little fat and a lot of oil. But this oil needs a very heavy load to get full combustion I think.

I don't mind running it like this, the saws run good on it and I know it's got good protection. I'm sure it leaves some power on the table though

That's the key. Just like Mike said. Not enough load unless milling.

 

[so il logger]

I know a Logger using cheap 2-cycle oil mixed with cheap ethanol gas and getting 4 yrs. out of his pro saws. He uses a saw more in a week or two than you or me will use in a year.

I have used gas station mix oil... Several times

Never had a problem

 

[mdavlee]

You can't say an oil is clean burning if it don't burn. All will leave carbon it's just the load that really makes some burn completely and others make a gooey mess.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Jason gave me some Klotz to try, need to get the rest of this mix used up first though

Im interested to hear your opinion on it

 

[Keith Gandy]

That must have been R50

800t

 

[Keith Gandy]

I do remember that pic on AS. You said it wasn't a hard carbon buildup but was soft and wiped clean easy. Later you told me 800 was probably overall the best oil to use for cleanliness and lubrication. And R50 was very dirty only after a tank or so.
I'd bet ANY 2-cycle oil at 32:1 would never cause an engine failure. I know a Logger using cheap 2-cycle oil mixed with cheap ethanol gas and getting 4 yrs. out of his pro saws. He uses a saw more in a week or two than you or me will use in a year.

It did wipe fairly clean but thats what was left over in the picture and it was hard. Say or believe what u want im telling u 800t will build carbon . Ill say it probably builds the least of any oil Ive used but loaded like with milling or bigger firewood, tuned properly ,and the engine getting to temperature it will build carbon. The 3 oils ive seen that build faster than others are Klotz Super , R2, and HP2. I havent used an oil yet that didnt produce carbon

 

[Keith Gandy]

Completely black.

And thats the way it should look

 

[Keith Gandy]

You can't say an oil is clean burning if it don't burn. All will leave carbon it's just the load that really makes some burn completely and others make a gooey mess.

Some will never see that. If u r lookin for a perfectly clean topend I guess 800 is the way to go and just tune overly rich? Im not understanding where folks think an oil can burn off and not produce carbon?

 

[Keith Gandy]

It did wipe fairly clean but thats what was left over in the picture and it was hard. Say or believe what u want im telling u 800t will build carbon . Ill say it probably builds the least of any oil Ive used but loaded like with milling or bigger firewood, tuned properly ,and the engine getting to temperature it will build carbon. The 3 oils ive seen that build faster than others are Klotz Super , R2, and HP2. I havent used an oil yet that didnt produce carbon

I do remember saying 800t lubed the best in the bottomend . That was until I used Klotz Super. No comparison. The Klotz leaves far more in the bottom than any oil Ive used and burns off in the top like it should. It did build fairly quick and im not sure where it would stop just cutting cookies and firewood with prolonged use but Jasons pic. Will tell us what it will do tuned properly