What oil is best? and what ratio?

[andyshine77]

I admit I'm at times too argumentative. That said I really just like things to be as clear and fair as possible, which I realize is almost impossible. Also being questioned by those you don't personally know doesn't always sit well, and believe me I've been on both ends of that deal, it comes with the territory thought.

Sorry for the mess everyone.

 

[andyshine77]

I can see where u r coming from to a point. If u take a Stihl 460 and bury a 28" bar bucking should be a normal load. Take the same saw and mill with it and its overloaded. I think Eggshooter basically was trying to duplicate the same scenario with added length of line? I think his method of mixing and running was as well as he can control it?

I agree it's probably the best way possible without some type of crazy, elaborate and expensive testbench.

 

[SOS Ridgerider]

If there is something I missed do your thing bud.

I trust you. We're good.

 

[Moparmyway]

Where's the 32:1 crew at?

They’re not going anywhere
I’m waiting for someone to tag me ...... i run 25:1 in everything, and I run K2, OTP, and Schaffers

To be fair a loaded 88cc saw under a good load is going to need that oil vs a smaller trimmer. I do dig the testing though. I think it’s cool

X2

I’m interested in this stuff I think it’s a pretty cool test. I’m not smart enough to understand why things are going the way they are. I’m here to see which one seems to be the best at the end. And hopefully a total failure or two. Carry on. I’ve been reading all of it.

Again ....... X2

 

[Moparmyway]

I guess I should have explained that. To break iy down farther....the trimmers stock single line at max is a load. It's buckin base line. Running 2 fat lines nearly double that is the trimmer milling. Cutting weeds can't stress these engines like this test. The string constantly wears, weeds vary im depth and thickness ect. You never hold the throttle wude open fir 9 plus hrs ect. Yiu have to give it a break to bump the line. This test, in my opinion, is the trmmers milling job. But what do I know.

You know what you’re doing and I think you should keep up the good work.

Can a trimmer be loaded up like a saw ?
Percentage wise, yes.
Actual load, you’d die trying.

Apples to apples, eggs to eggs, these trimmers are definitely working harder than they should be !

 

[Keith Gandy]

You know what you’re doing and I think you should keep up the good work.

Can a trimmer be loaded up like a saw ?
Percentage wise, yes.
Actual load, you’d die trying.

Apples to apples, eggs to eggs, these trimmers are definitely working harder than they should be !

I agree 100%. They r being pushed far beyond normal ranges and cycles

 

[full chizel]

Got something you can put water in and then put the head underwater? That would make a pretty heavy load.

 

[andyshine77]

Got something you can put water in and then put the head underwater? That would make a pretty heavy load.

It does appear the engine has plenty of load, may not even run in a bucket of water. Good idea though.

 

[Ron660]

Thank you Keith. Hope you aren't saying that because your oil kicks arse

Think he uses K2??

 

[Keith Gandy]

Exactly. Not bashing 800 but look what the trimmer under severe load did to that outstanding oil. I totally did not see this coming.

Im really shocked to see any of them making it past 100to1 . Pretty good eye opener. Any of these oils at 50to1 should be plenty?

 

[Keith Gandy]

Think he uses K2??

Thats been my first choice the last year or so or Klotz Original

 

[andyshine77]

Thats been my first choice the last year or so or Klotz Original

How is the Klotz? The only concern I have with it would be corrosion, as it's said hydroscopic. But what do I know I'm just a keyboard jockey. [emoji470] [emoji1][emoji1][emoji111]

 

[Keith Gandy]

How is the Klotz? The only concern I have with it would be corrosion, as it's said hydroscopic. But what do I know I'm just a keyboard jockey. [emoji470] [emoji1][emoji1][emoji111]

It would be the same with 800t, k2, or RA with esters which are hydroscopic in nature Im pretty sure. I crank my equipment weekly and every once in awhile I fog with Stabil spray

 

[Keith Gandy]

You know guys, this whole deal has me really contemplating what I'm doing here. I'm mad and bummed at myself for the spectacle brought forth tonight. This type of thing is exactly why I quit joining forums years ago. There is always someone..... Anyway, I apologise for my behavior. Im going to sleep on it. I may just become the lurker again. I'm getting to old to deal with this. I may have a fresh perspective in th am. Maybe the magic ignore button will take care of the issue. I'm here to have fun, learn something and maybe teach something, even if by accident. Life is to short to be insulted by perfect strangers I don't even have to associate with. So, guess I'll see how I feel tomorrow because right now Im over this whole ordeal. Peace

At least run K2 and Amsoil!!I wanna know!!

 

[andyshine77]

It would be the same with 800t, k2, or RA with esters which are hydroscopic in nature Im pretty sure. I crank my equipment weekly and every once in awhile I fog with Stabil spray

Yeah if you run your equipment regularly I can't see. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe klotz original techniplate is dried from plant-based Esters not petroleum so it is a bit different.[emoji111]

 

[Keith Gandy]

Yeah if you run your equipment regularly I can't see. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe klotz original techniplate is dried from plant-based Esters not petroleum so it is a bit different.[emoji111]

Andy you lost me there buddy. All I can tell you is nothing smells better than Klotz

 

[andyshine77]

You know guys, this whole deal has me really contemplating what I'm doing here. I'm mad and bummed at myself for the spectacle brought forth tonight. This type of thing is exactly why I quit joining forums years ago. There is always someone..... Anyway, I apologise for my behavior. Im going to sleep on it. I may just become the lurker again. I'm getting to old to deal with this. I may have a fresh perspective in th am. Maybe the magic ignore button will take care of the issue. I'm here to have fun, learn something and maybe teach something, even if by accident. Life is to short to be insulted by perfect strangers I don't even have to associate with. So, guess I'll see how I feel tomorrow because right now Im over this whole ordeal. Peace

Don't know if you're seeing this or not, but don't let myself influence what you do here. And maybe my skin is just too thick and maybe I jumped on you to harshly. I apologize for insulating you, you're right I shouldn't have insinuated that you're doing something and unscrupulous. Like you maybe it's because of the way internet forms can be, maybe I've been around too long. None of us should take ourselves so seriously, especially right now.

 

[andyshine77]

Andy you lost me there buddy. All I can tell you is nothing smells better than Klotz

[emoji1] If I remember correctly yes Klotz original techniplate is drive from plant-based esters, R50 comes from petroleum-based.

I have a Klotz scented candle sitting on my dresser.

 

[Ron660]

Eggshooter do u have a dozen ported 10mm 044s and several thousand board feet to mill in and conduct these tests?

My coworker is an engineer that use to test 2T oils at their San Antonio facility on new chainsaw engines. He blended oils for Stihl and husqvarna. Each had same stock oil but different additive packages. One company required 32:1 the other 40:1 for their products. They MEASURED actual wear and other criteria. He said once you move up to racing oils you’ll have better stock oil and additive packages. So I agree with Andy’s point AND Eggshooter. I believe Eggshooter’s results but Andy is probably thinking like me each 2T oil, racing or not, has a lab proven viscosity for protection and it’s application. Racing oil, higher viscosities, WILL provide more protection. Racing teams use RACING OIL for a reason...more protection and viscosity needed for its application. ANY 2T oil at 40:1 or less, I’m certain you’ll never have an oil- related engine issue. There’s no “best” oil for multiple applications.

 

[Ron660]

I guess I should have explained that. To break it down farther....the trimmers stock single line at max is a load. It's bucking base line if you will. Running 2 fat lines nearly double that is the trimmer milling. Cutting weeds can't stress these engines like this test. The string constantly wears, weeds vary in depth and thickness ect. You never hold the throttle wide open for 9 plus hrs ect. You have to give it a break to bump the line. This test, in my opinion, is the trmmers milling job. But what do I know.

Are all engines new? Maybe I missed that.
I’ve been busy cleaning wild hogs caught in one of our traps.