What oil is best? and what ratio?

[bwalker]

Lucas is a poor storing oil i heard today.

I woukd be supprised if that's true given it contains mettalic based detergents which neutralize acids and it's a mineral oil blend, which also is better for corrosion protection.
Corrosion protection is another reason I prefer 32:1.

 

[mdavlee]

Valvoline or another plain Dino oil are probably the best storage oil if they'll set for a long time.

 

[bwalker]

I started running benol when I was 18 in dirt bikes because of the smell and just stayed using it.
Is it the greatest? I doubt it
Is it the worst? I doubt it
It's just what I've used for 22 years problem free so I'll keep on using it.

I can't reccomend benol or any straight castor oil for any use in a saw and very few applications in general. KT-100 karts being the exception.

 

[bwalker]

Valvoline or another plain Dino oil are probably the best storage oil if they'll set for a long time.

For storage I run alittle yamaha(any tcw3 non syn will do)outboard oil through them, then fog the motor till it dies.

 

[mdavlee]

For storage I run alittle yamaha(any tcw3 non syn will do)outboard oil through them, then fog the motor till it dies.

Whatever I find for flush gas will probably work for storage like that. 20:1 or so is what I'll mix.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Keith, could you please post your pics. I haven't seen them.

I dont have the pics Ben but its somewhere in these several hundred pages

 

[Keith Gandy]

This is approx my 12th 661. The saw ran absolutely fine except for it bogged with the long bar when limbing. I only run 661s I know how they run. Furthermore if you had watched the video. Then you would of seen the o-rings/washers hung up inside of the old style boot. ie. the cause of the bogg

If the hd2 was THAT bad then it's highly likely we would have seen this happen before...being this is my 12th 661...then I would say likelihood pretty darn high I would of seen it before. Soo the most likely cause is a burr. And that is what Randy said as well.

There is no air leak
There is nothing wrong with the filter

like or dis like has nothing to do with it. Relative to the others it doesn't look as good. And there isn't as much oil in the bottom end as others.

I will run it with HP2 for a few tanks and see what happens. Then maybe some schaeffers.

After that I will run some more techniplate. You tell me the ratio and I will run it.

Ill agree with u on everything except the grit/dirt in the cylinder. The oil has nothing to do with that. Ill add this, if comparing oils run all them in the same saw and compare each. No 2 saws will burn the same

 

[bwalker]

Ill agree with u on everything except the grit/dirt in the cylinder. The oil has nothing to do with that. Ill add this, if u comparing oils run all them in the same saw and compare each. No 2 saws will burn the same

Very true. The older stihl saws, 260,360,440,460 burn dirty compared to the older Huskies like the 346,357,372,385.
I would also add that this saw was probably running pretty rich due to the intake blockage.

 

[bwalker]

Whatever I find for flush gas will probably work for storage like that. 20:1 or so is what I'll mix.

I will also pull the choke and flood the motor out if I know I won't be running a saw for a few weeks. It's very humid here, by lake superior and stuff rusts easy.
I have been being invaded by ground squirrels as of late and I left a 22 out in the garage over night. When I came out this morning it had some orange fuzz on the barrel and action.

 

[jmssaws]

It's brutal humidity here,it's like swimming in air. No air to breath in the woods either.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Very true. The older stihl saws, 260,360,440,460 burn dirty compared to the older Huskies like the 346,357,372,385.
I would also add that this saw was probably running pretty rich due to the intake blockage.

I was thinkin that from the wet piston top Ben or maybe an air leak from the scuffing? I think Redbull is alil upset at the scuffing and wants to blame the oil like I did with my 550 comparing super techniplate and orange dino. Turned out to be a pretty good flywheel side seal leaking that the autotune mask pretty dang good!! So good that it ran too good on the bigend in the cut!

 

[bwalker]

It's brutal humidity here,it's like swimming in air. No air to breath in the woods either.

The differance is we don't see much above 80 degrees.

 

[Keith Gandy]

On other thing to consider when running an ester oil like Klotz, motul 800, K2 or any oil with castor in it the properties for preventing rust in storage are pretty poor.
Klotz even says don't use ST as a storage lube.

I wonder if the StaBil fogging spray in the can is any good?

 

[bwalker]

I was thinkin that from the wet piston top Ben or maybe an air leak from the scuffing? I think Redbull is alil upset at the scuffing and wants to blame the oil like I did with my 550 comparing super techniplate and orange dino but turned out to be a pretty good flywheel side seal liking that the autotune mask pretty dang good!! So good that it ran too good on the bigend in the cut!

I don't think the scuff had anything to do with running lean or the oil. I would say it's nearly impossible to say how the oil did given it was that rich.

 

[jmssaws]

The differance is we don't see much above 80 degrees.

Bout 98 here with 70+% humidity.
It's miserable

 

[bwalker]

I wonder if the StaBil fogging spray in the can is any good?

Its what I use.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Ben have you ever had experience with Klotz KL198 lite?

 

[RedFir Down]

Lucas is a poor storing oil i heard today.

This is from Lucas's website. 8th bullet point down.

Key Benefits

• Clean burning "Smokeless"
• Mixes well with gasolines at all temperatures
• Meets requirements for "low smoke" oils
• Low Ash
• Suitable for use in air-cooled engines
• Surpasses Mercury, Evinrude and Johnson Motors requirements
• Expect longer ring life, less fuel consumption and no filter clogging
• Excellent rust protection during storage
• Prevents carbon deposits
• Prevents piston burning and corrosion caused by combustion residue
• Meets ISO GD and JASO FD
• Exceeds API TC

 

[bwalker]

Ben have you ever had experience with Klotz KL198 lite?

Never seen it,nor heard of it. Just doing a quick Google search it would lead me to believe its intended for RC models.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Never seen it,nor heard of it. Just doing a quick Google search it would lead me to believe its intended for RC models.

Yes. Lighter techniplate version. Wonder how it would work in OPE?