What oil is best? and what ratio?

[bwalker]

Have you tried the blue stuff i sent yet ,tuning seems a little more forgiving in my opinion over the 2r i was running .

Have you tried the blue stuff i sent yet ,tuning seems a little more forgiving in my opinion over the 2r i was running .

If the tuning was forgiving you could run it at 32:1 without blowing unburnt oil out the exhaust.
2R is about the easiest to tune oil I have ever delt with. When I am dealing with an engine with unknown jetting or a saw that I am not sure where it makes peak HP I start with 2R. It removes one variable that can complicate things.

 

[bwalker]

I didn't intend it to be......not at all. Hell Ben, we both know that there really ain't any true "blanket statements".

The Amsoil is a cat of a different color. That's all.....

Its really not. It's just uses high weight base stocks to enable higher ratios. This makes tuning and combustion at low ratios more difficult. No mystery what so ever.

 

[jmssaws]

Anymore the only time my saws are ran is in a test log and tuned as fast as I can get it then I make a few cuts and try something else, probably why I don't notice any problems with thick oil.
My saws are guinea pigs and only get the *s-word beat out of them.

 

[bwalker]

I didn't intend it to be......not at all. Hell Ben, we both know that there really ain't any true "blanket statements".

The Amsoil is a cat of a different color. That's all.....

Btw I knew that wasn't your intention and my comment was generally speaking. Not aimed at you in particular.

 

[paragonbuilder]

I have a friend that I trust completely.......his opinion is gold to me. He uses Amsoil at 60:1, swears it makes more power than any other oil at that ratio.

Long term use at that ratio with no issues?


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[Mastermind]

Btw I knew that wasn't your intention and my comment was generally speaking. Not aimed at you in particular.

Thanks bro. No worries. I'm enjoying the discussion.

I get sucked into these damn oil threads. lol

 

[bwalker]

He is doin good then. Most loggers I know junk them after 1 season running Stihl silver

These saws aren't getting run like they would in your area. The mostly are only used in big wood only. Everything else is done by machines for the most part if the ground will allow.

 

[Mastermind]

Long term use at that ratio with no issues?


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Can't speak to that really Dan. He says that he's interested in performance, and don't mind less longevity. That said, he also said he's yet to kill one at 60:1.

I did see a ported 088 killed at 60:1 milling.

 

[bwalker]

Thanks bro. No worries. I'm enjoying the discussion.

I get sucked into these damn oil threads. lol

I hear you. I woukd be out cutting if it wasn't pouring down rain.
OTOH in my few months absence awhile back I come back to this thread and all of a sudden boat oil and castor are the bees knees...wtf!

 

[Mastermind]

I hear you. I woukd be out cutting if it wasn't pouring down rain.
OTOH in my few months absence awhile back I come back to this thread and all of a sudden boat oil and castor are the bees knees...wtf!

LMFAO

 

[Keith Gandy]

These saws aren't getting run like they would in your area. The mostly are only used in big wood only. Everything else is done by machines for the most part if the ground will allow.

Ya i wouldnt think the way these saws down here ran in 100° + heat all day long and high humidity would hold up long. Most saws here r lucky if they get Stihl oil and usually get the super s local gas station brand oil

 

[bwalker]

I don't think the heat really matters not a significant degree given even a ported saws very low state of tune.
Loggers in general treat a saw about like I woukd treat a splitting maul. Their saws look horrible in a matter of weeks and things other than engine wear cause them to buy a new saws. Truth be known the most damaging things loggers do to their saws is let them bounce around in the backs of there trucks while driving bad roads. This plays hell on the electronics in particular.

 

[junkman]

If the tuning was forgiving you could run it at 32:1 without blowing unburnt oil out the exhaust.
2R is about the easiest to tune oil I have ever delt with. When I am dealing with an engine with unknown jetting or a saw that I am not sure where it makes peak HP I start with 2R. It removes one variable that can complicate things.

When i went from mobil 1 to the amsoil my muffler and plug did this without retuning ,this tells me the bike oil is thicker ?? I believe they were both 32 to 1 at the time on the mix because i just started 40 to 1 not long ago .


Retuned it looked like this ,little sooty but dryer than the bike oil i was using .

 

[Keith Gandy]

These saws aren't getting run like they would in your area. The mostly are only used in big wood only. Everything else is done by machines for the most part if the ground will allow.

We have good size wood here also

I don't think the heat really matters not a significant degree given even a ported saws very low state of tune.
Loggers in general treat a saw about like I woukd treat a splitting maul. Their saws look horrible in a matter of weeks and things other than engine wear cause them to buy a new saws. Truth be known the most damaging things loggers do to their saws is let them bounce around in the backs of there trucks while driving bad roads. This plays hell on the electronics in particular.

Mtronics and autotune saws r almost no exsistent here. A few mtronics out here but 0 AT saws that ive seen. The local husky shop is 1 hr away and he didnt have a clue what a 550 or 562xp was much less has software for it

 

[jmssaws]

We have good size wood here also

Mtronics and autotune saws r almost no exsistent here. A few mtronics out here but 0 AT saws that ive seen. The local husky shop is 1 hr away and he didnt have a clue what a 550 or 562xp was much less has software for it

Same here, there's a few 661's in the woods here but most still run a 660 or 395.

 

[junkman]

the thread died

 

[stihl sawing]

the thread died

In between rounds.

 

[bwalker]

We have good size wood here also

Mtronics and autotune saws r almost no exsistent here. A few mtronics out here but 0 AT saws that ive seen. The local husky shop is 1 hr away and he didnt have a clue what a 550 or 562xp was much less has software for it

When I said in big wood, I ment they are used not that often. Our growing season is such that a 36" tree is a huge one up here.

 

[bwalker]

562's are being run a bit. One crew I know runs 441's. Lots of Husky 372,385,390, and 395's. Some 660's, 460's.
Husky owns the pro market up here.

 

[bwalker]

When i went from mobil 1 to the amsoil my muffler and plug did this without retuning ,this tells me the bike oil is thicker ?? I believe they were both 32 to 1 at the time on the mix because i just started 40 to 1 not long ago .View attachment 23877 View attachment 23878


Retuned it looked like this ,little sooty but dryer than the bike oil i was using .View attachment 23879 View attachment 23880

It tells me you were not tuned properly to start with.