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If I remember correctly, several years ago I worked on an older 261 that had M-tronic issues. I switched the flywheel, coil, and carb from a junk 271 and the owner said it ran better than new. I knew the 271 carb was not for a strato-scavenged saw, but it ran well.
271 has always been a stratto saw, uses same piston as the 261 just a farm ranch clamshell. Odds are his mtronic issue was a 40$ solenoid too about 90% of the time that’s all it is. People always want to blame the mtronic for their issues but lots of times it’s something else. Kinda like pulling the efi off your car to put on a 2bbl carb.
 

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Well, the solenoid is part of the M-Tronic package, so it is still an M-Tronic issue.
Having said that, had they gone all the way, like on the 500i, offered reasonably priced diagnostics tools, and so forth, I'd have been all for it.
Then there would have been the benefit of easy and fast diagnostics, and higher performance.
The sad truth is, that if you don't have access to an official dealer, you're kinda screwed, that part I don't particularly like.
Throw in that there's no performance gain, but there's added complexity, more stuff to fail. That also doesn't sound like a good deal.
It's hardly rocket science to make a fuel injected saw, yet the two big ones came up with this half arsed solution.
 

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How old is it? And overall they’re very reliable, have you changed the fuel filter ? I will bet all your problems will go away for about 60$. New fuel filter “orange one” and a new solenoid on carb white for white and if it’s black use a green one. Do a reset and I bet it will run fine. I’ve talked guys at work into the 261c’s and they cut 20-30 chords a year no issues for over 10 years. They are the first generation 261s without retained bar nuts.
I can't recall how old it is. 5 years would be a qualified guess.
Yes, I changed the fuel filter, as I suspected it being starved.
It already got a new solenoid once, while I still had access to a dealer, probably less than 100 hours old.
Have been resetting it. That made no difference.
I'll get a solenoid, and see if it's failed again. It would sure be convenient for now if you're right.
 

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Well, the solenoid is part of the M-Tronic package, so it is still an M-Tronic issue.
Having said that, had they gone all the way, like on the 500i, offered reasonably priced diagnostics tools, and so forth, I'd have been all for it.
Then there would have been the benefit of easy and fast diagnostics, and higher performance.
The sad truth is, that if you don't have access to an official dealer, you're kinda screwed, that part I don't particularly like.
Throw in that there's no performance gain, but there's added complexity, more stuff to fail. That also doesn't sound like a good deal.
It's hardly rocket science to make a fuel injected saw, yet the two big ones came up with this half arsed solution.
It’s dead simple and you don’t need the mdg1 to fix and mtronic saw most of the time, I use mine to scan hours most of the time unless it’s 500i. Mtronic and autotune work very well and yes they do increase performance. Most guys porting saws say the mtronic version will beat the non mtronic version simply because it’s tuning in the cut all the time. The old black solenoids wore out because of fuel contaminants because of no hardened seat. They made the green to replace the bad design black one and all the newer saws have a white one. The white and green have a hardened seat for the fuel metering assembly and give very little problem if you change the 5$ orange fuel filter once a year. And you act like it’s hard to work on or something, still just a carb and I can change a Stihl solenoid in about 15 minutes on the tailgate of a truck. Like I said buy 50-60$ in parts do a reset and I will bet the saw will run fine. And if it doesn’t odds are it’s not the mtronics problem and you have an air leak or something else wrong that will still be wrong with regular carb.
 

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I can't recall how old it is. 5 years would be a qualified guess.
Yes, I changed the fuel filter, as I suspected it being starved.
It already got a new solenoid once, while I still had access to a dealer, probably less than 100 hours old.
Have been resetting it. That made no difference.
I'll get a solenoid, and see if it's failed again. It would sure be convenient for now if you're right.
It’s new enough to be a white solenoid so when you put that in do your reset and it will be fine I bet. And weather you think it needs a filter or not put a new orange one in once a year. I have 2 green and 2 white solenoids in my shop as spares for any saw I’m working on for the tree services
 

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Oh, I'm not having a problem with replacing the solenoid, it's no worse than doing any other work on a saw.
I'm doing more maintenance work on my saws, than most ever will, as I'm no fan of stuff failing. Annual complete tare-down, and throughout inspections for every 50 or so hours. I'm taking really good care of them, and this is really the first time, a saw has caused me any problems in the field.
What I don't like is that it's just guesswork. With a regular carb, it's extremely rare I have to guess.
I just checked, mine has the white solenoid, so it's gotta be one of the newer versions.
 

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It’s new enough to be a white solenoid so when you put that in do your reset and it will be fine I bet. And weather you think it needs a filter or not put a new orange one in once a year. I have 2 green and 2 white solenoids in my shop as spares for any saw I’m working on for the tree services
White is it.
They all get a new filter at least once a year, this I've learned the hard way.
So the solenoids are the same for all M-Tronic saws? That would indeed make it easier to deal with.
 

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271 has always been a stratto saw, uses same piston as the 261 just a farm ranch clamshell. Odds are his mtronic issue was a 40$ solenoid too about 90% of the time that’s all it is. People always want to blame the mtronic for their issues but lots of times it’s something else. Kinda like pulling the efi off your car to put on a 2bbl carb.
Please find me the strato ports on this cylinder.1735140454102.png
At the time, I was working at a shop in Bahamas, where parts are 2-3 times more expensive and take a couple of weeks to get there. So I did use a different approach than I would have in the States.
 

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Please find me the strato ports on this cylinder.View attachment 444297
At the time, I was working at a shop in Bahamas, where parts are 2-3 times more expensive and take a couple of weeks to get there. So I did use a different approach than I would have in the States.
Your right i was thinking of a he 311/362
 

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White is it.
They all get a new filter at least once a year, this I've learned the hard way.
So the solenoids are the same for all M-Tronic saws? That would indeed make it easier to deal with.
Yes all the same used to be white or black but green became the universal replacement for the black ones
 

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Oh, I'm not having a problem with replacing the solenoid, it's no worse than doing any other work on a saw.
I'm doing more maintenance work on my saws, than most ever will, as I'm no fan of stuff failing. Annual complete tare-down, and throughout inspections for every 50 or so hours. I'm taking really good care of them, and this is really the first time, a saw has caused me any problems in the field.
What I don't like is that it's just guesswork. With a regular carb, it's extremely rare I have to guess.
I just checked, mine has the white solenoid, so it's gotta be one of the newer versions.

What does the solenoid physically attach to for making the adjustments to the Fuel & Air mixture?

Usually a solenoid is an electrical way of moving a linkage rod.
 

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What does the solenoid physically attach to for making the adjustments to the Fuel & Air mixture?

Usually a solenoid is an electrical way of moving a linkage rod.
It gos into the side of the carb and adjusts fuel flow by restricting a port in carb just takes the place of the jet. Stihl solenoids are replaceable and as far as what I’ve been told is husky requires you to buy the whole carb that’s 125-175 ish depending where it’s bought.
 

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It's funny that guys get their panties in a bunch over a simple solenoid and a few wires.
 

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It's funny that guys get their panties in a bunch over a simple solenoid and a few wires.
Agreed... for me, the occasional cutter, i love the fact i dont have to worry about tuning the saws, (thats coming from a stihl tech who has to fiddle with carb screws on a daily basis while working on saws and trimmers) i just fire em up and let em warm up for a few min wihile pulling on the gloves and other ppe, and just go to work cutting, knowing its gonna run right... i tend to lean towards my 261cm, 280c (first gen mtronic that still had manual low speed and idle adjustments) and my ms661cm, over the ms362 (non mtronic) or 044, because it always feels like they need a retune every time i run em...LOL
 

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Agreed... for me, the occasional cutter, i love the fact i dont have to worry about tuning the saws, (thats coming from a stihl tech who has to fiddle with carb screws on a daily basis while working on saws and trimmers) i just fire em up and let em warm up for a few min wihile pulling on the gloves and other ppe, and just go to work cutting, knowing its gonna run right... i tend to lean towards my 261cm, 280c (first gen mtronic that still had manual low speed and idle adjustments) and my ms661cm, over the ms362 (non mtronic) or 044, because it always feels like they need a retune every time i run em...LOL
That 270/280 was an odd duck saw and the self tuning carb with an adjustable low and idle was weird. Can’t remember what the official name of that one was. Mtronic came a year or so later on the ms 441 as the official first fully self tuning Stihl.
 

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It's funny that guys get their panties in a bunch over a simple solenoid and a few wires.
As stated earlier, I have no problem with progress, but this just brings very little benefit, if any at all, to anyone with basic understanding of how an engine works.
What it does bring, is that you get to shoot it with the parts cannon, every time something fails, contrary to making a simple diagnose and fix the fault, on a saw without the self tuning feature.
Had they made a nice diagnostics tool available, for a reasonable price, I'd have been fine with it, but this is a half arsed solution, made this way to generate recurring revenue.
Pretty much the oldest trick in the book.
 

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Agreed... for me, the occasional cutter, i love the fact i dont have to worry about tuning the saws, (thats coming from a stihl tech who has to fiddle with carb screws on a daily basis while working on saws and trimmers) i just fire em up and let em warm up for a few min wihile pulling on the gloves and other ppe, and just go to work cutting, knowing its gonna run right... i tend to lean towards my 261cm, 280c (first gen mtronic that still had manual low speed and idle adjustments) and my ms661cm, over the ms362 (non mtronic) or 044, because it always feels like they need a retune every time i run em...LOL
If your regular carb saws need a re-tune, every time you run them, something isn't right.
That would defy basic physics.
 
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