Porting, You get what you pay for

[Gravitas]

keep in mind that the damage was not caused by the work the porter did

I agree Scott, the crank bearing failure and carb failure were not the porter's fault in just about any case I can think of.

That said, the poor machine work, and lack of porting in the actual ports, seem as though they would be.

There are two issues here as I see it and they are separate and exclusive, yet both damning to the builder. One is that the failures were not properly repaired when the builder had the opportunities to do so. The second is that money was paid for porting, and it is not apparent that by many folks definition, any real port work was done. Pick your poison, neither are right.

 

[pro94lt]

Do the porters have serial numbers they mark on the jugs? I would. I'm sure theirs plenty of crooks selling knock of mm ported saws that weren't actually ported by mm or whoever. I'd have to mark the cylinder and keep record of it...

 

[Rains]

Hope the owner can get his saw back running like he what he paid for !!

 

[Deets066]

I agree Scott, the crank bearing failure and carb failure were not the porter's fault in just about any case I can think of.

That said, the poor machine work, and lack of porting in the actual ports, seem as though they would be.

There are two issues here as I see it and they are separate and exclusive, yet both damning to the builder. One is that the failures were not properly repaired when the builder had the opportunities to do so. The second is that money was paid for porting, and it is not apparent that by many folks definition, any real port work was done. Pick your poison, neither are right.

Not all port jobs require hogged out ports to get the numbers right, if it's machined right. I'm no expert, and I'm not stickin up for anyone. But the bottom line is the saw should run like what you paid for

 

[Mastermind]

Who would do that kind of work and think they can get away with? Do the porters have serial numbers they mark on the jugs? I would. I'm sure theirs plenty of crooks selling knock of mm ported saws that weren't actually ported by mm or whoever. I'd have to mark the cylinder and keep record of it...

Yes.......I do mark my cylinders.

 

[Flip]

I don't know how old this saw is but remember when these 5 series came out, people were saying that you couldn't do much but a muffler mod. Maybe that was all that was all that the builder did on those at the time, a little nip and tuck plastic surgery. A lot has been learned and I'm sure what people were doing then is not how they are modding them now.

I'm not giving him a pass, just trying to fill in the blanks.

 

[jacob j.]

That's definitely not Brad's work (I know this has been mentioned already but there seems to be a mob mentality regarding Brad). I've owned a saw that Brad ported and had one come in for a repair that he did in the past and his finish is excellent (regardless of your opinions on his port timing or how much he hogs out a muffler). I too have had several saws sent to me for repair ported by forum builders. Some have been good, some have been not so good. I don't call them out on it- I leave that to the customer to go back on the builder and it's between them.

 

[Gravitas]

I agree Deets, I am aware that not all get or require the same amount of grinding.

 

[Moparmyway]

keep in mind that the damage was not caused by the work the porter did

I aint so sure about that Scott

Slivers/dust from sanding/machining/porting may have been left inside somewhere. Even a couple of them could have rubbed the piston side, boogered up the crank bearing, and gotten stuck in a corner or expelled into the muffler

I aint saying that I am sure of something left over from modifications, I am just saying that I am sure that we shouldnt say that the damage wasnt caused by it

 

[Mastermind]

Not all port jobs require hogged out ports to get the numbers right, if it's machined right. I'm no expert, and I'm not stickin up for anyone. But the bottom line is the saw should run like what you paid for

That is very true in the case of the 562XP. Just a popup piston brings them alive.

I still cut the squish on them.........out of habit mostly.

 

[Mag Craft]

It sure as hell ain't the case here.

That has been discussed......and there is no way in hell this site will protect anyone for ten bucks a month.

I'm hoping to see the person that did the work post in this thread.

I remember when KRL was doing all that crappy work, and there was no holding back on the forums about it.

You know if I was a person who wanted a saw ported but did not know a lot about it but still wanted to make an educated choice on who or what they wanted done to a saw, how is that suppose to happen if no one ever knows who is doing the good work and who is doing the poor work. My guess is that this is not the first time this builder has done this to a saw and has been able to get away with it.

 

[tree monkey]

I agree Scott, the crank bearing failure and carb failure were not the porter's fault in just about any case I can think of.

That said, the poor machine work, and lack of porting in the actual ports, seem as though they would be.

There are two issues here as I see it and they are separate and exclusive, yet both damning to the builder. One is that the failures were not properly repaired when the builder had the opportunities to do so. The second is that money was paid for porting, and it is not apparent that by many folks definition, any real port work was done. Pick your poison, neither are right.

i'm not defending the porter, he has some explaining to do.

the warranty was void the second it was ported, the owner takes a risk of this happening, who pays? does the entire bill go to the porter?

 

[Mag Craft]

That is very true in the case of the 562XP. Just a popup piston brings them alive.

I still cut the squish on them.........out of habit mostly.

If a saw does not require a lot of work then do not charge the customer as if it did require a lot of work. I thought that is what the op was pointing out.

 

[Mastermind]

I get what you are saying.......I really do.

This is a tricky position I'm in. I want to do what is best for the forum.

In all honesty.......I'm not sure how to handle this.

 

[pro94lt]

How man post till we know the builder? 150?

 

[Cobby08]

If a saw does not require a lot of work then do not charge the customer as if it did require a lot of work. I thought that is what the op was pointing out.

I don't really know all the tactics behind it but I'm going with simplicity. Why do all basic oil changes cost the same? Ever change the oil on a 5.3 Vortec its easy as pie, change one on a Ford with a triton and you have to have gumbo arms. Just the way it is.

 

[Hedgerow]

i'm not defending the porter, he has some explaining to do.

the warranty was void the second it was ported, the owner takes a risk of this happening, who pays? does the entire bill go to the porter?

That's a good question Scott..
Most reasonable would be a shared deal.
If a person wants mods done to their saw new, they need to be prepared for a "worst case scenario"..
If they are not, they have no business getting the mods done.
I got a couple that could grenade any time and I am ok with it.

 

[Hedgerow]

If a saw does not require a lot of work then do not charge the customer as if it did require a lot of work. I thought that is what the op was pointing out.

I understand this sentiment, but can not agree.
If a man finds a way to build a better mouse trap for less money, he is entitled to charge for it whatever he chooses.

 

[ny15]

I get what you are saying.......I really do.

This is a tricky position I'm in. I want to do what is best for the forum.

In all honesty.......I'm not sure how to handle this.

Why doesn't someone send a message to the builder and give him a chance to defend himself or rectify the situation. Better to have it out in the open.

 

[GCJenks204]

I just hope that the person that did this isn't the person I recently recommended someone get a new ported 562 from. I hope this isn't someone that once had a stellar reputation that has let things slide of late.