Anyone know about big diesel engines?

[MG2186]

But you can hah? 400 is pretty good considering what they are stock.


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[czar800]

You better call GM, they'll want that to put in a museum....


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I just spit out my coffee!

 

[mdavlee]

But you can hah? 400 is pretty good considering what they are stock.


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215 stock hp on the pump. It's at the limits of the injectors and the turbo housing. They get warm there. My favorite Ford engine is the 6.0 bulletproofed. With the variable turbo and auto they tow better here than the 7.3. I hated the 6.4. I kept it one year. It had more HP on paper than my 11 Cummins but wouldn't keep up on the hills.

 

[TJ the Chainsaw Mechanic]

No but I respect the build. Its very sweet and done very nicely.


I like this one aswell.

For all you IH guys...

Now that's pretty cool, you could tell IH from the valve cover easily. haha Sounds good!

 

[MG2186]

A deleted and properly tuned 6.4 will spank them all. 6.0's are good once fixed but are all RPM's. 400 out those Cummins is hard to believe with stock injectors and turbo. You are essentially doubling the HP. We both know it takes fuel and air to do that. You or whoever is doing your work must be dam smart to accomplish that without changing any parts. I know what it takes to do that on farm tractors and it's more than simply adjusting the pump


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[mdavlee]

A deleted and properly tuned 6.4 will spank them all. 6.0's are good once fixed but are all RPM's. 400 out those Cummins is hard to believe with stock injectors and turbo. You are essentially doubling the HP. We both know it takes fuel and air to do that. You or whoever is doing your work must be dam smart to accomplish that without changing any parts. I know what it takes to do that on farm tractors and it's more than simply adjusting the pump


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Those pumps are tuned way down. A ground plate and timing is most of it. One guy that really tried back in the Comp D times made 450-460. The 180 pump is just as good without the retard notches. 400 hp with a stock turbo is going to be at 1500° plus. A VP engine with a hot tune and injectors will make a really hot 450hp on that same turbo.

 

[MG2186]

Those Cummins are all out of time stock. The way they time them is just plane stupid, tapered shafts with plastic pins and no numbers anywhere. Atleast that's how they are in tractors and bigger trucks. If I was ever to have one, which is highly unlikely, I actually TDC the motor out and put numbers on the dampener, but with the way the dampener mounts that wouldn't be all peachy either.


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[mdavlee]

Those Cummins are all out of time stock. The way they time them is just plane stupid, tapered shafts with plastic pins and no numbers anywhere. Atleast that's how they are in tractors and bigger trucks. If I was ever to have one, which is highly unlikely, I actually TDC the motor out and put numbers on the dampener, but with the way the dampener mounts that wouldn't be all peachy either.


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P pump is a tapered shaft. I have the tools and if I work on one I scribe a tdc mark on the bottom of the dampener to line up for stuff like that. I have used the valves as well. They have a pin to push in for TDC if it's not been broken.

 

[MG2186]

P pump is a tapered shaft. I have the tools and if I work on one I scribe a tdc mark on the bottom of the dampener to line up for stuff like that. I have used the valves as well. They have a pin to push in for TDC if it's not been broken.

Yes I know all about them, I've taken numerous pumps off 8.3's and some 5.9's and they're the same setup. The problem with your scribe mark on the dampener is that's not true TDC, there's too much movement between the pump pin and the the TDC pin in the auxiliary cover and that's all based off the dowl pins that hold the auxiliary drive housing on. I've seen 5-8* timing variations between applications when checking with a timing light after finding absolute TDC and making timing marks with a degree wheel. But it works for them so who am i to say it don't, just a dumb old mechanic that has to fix the crap!


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[mdavlee]

Yes I know all about them, I've taken numerous pumps off 8.3's and some 5.9's and they're the same setup. The problem with your scribe mark on the dampener is that's not true TDC, there's too much movement between the pump pin and the the TDC pin in the auxiliary cover and that's all based off the dowl pins that hold the auxiliary drive housing on. I've seen 5-8* timing variations between applications when checking with a timing light after finding absolute TDC and making timing marks with a degree wheel. But it works for them so who am i to say it don't, just a dumb old mechanic that has to fix the crap!


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I usually do the valve method and then a seamstress tape to get the best I can.

 

[MG2186]

That's a lot better than how most do it. I like a dead stop through the injector whole and degree wheel the best. But I usually have the whole front off replacing the leaking or broke auxiliary cover. It's all good, pays the same.... lol


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[exSW]

Anyway,Nate are you talking stationary engines like on an old sawmill , irrigation pump or pump jack. If so you'd be surprised how much support there is for some. I found a couple companies that still sell and service old Minneapolis Moline stationary units.

 

[Cobby08]

A deleted and properly tuned 6.4 will spank them all. 6.0's are good once fixed but are all RPM's. 400 out those Cummins is hard to believe with stock injectors and turbo. You are essentially doubling the HP. We both know it takes fuel and air to do that. You or whoever is doing your work must be dam smart to accomplish that without changing any parts. I know what it takes to do that on farm tractors and it's more than simply adjusting the pump


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I would have to agree. I'm a duramax fella but a 6.4 deleted is a 570-600hp truck... Not saying it will do it for very long but they will do it. Stock internals and trans are pretty good to do all that.

 

[Homelite410]

Anyway,Nate are you talking stationary engines like on an old sawmill , irrigation pump or pump jack. If so you'd be surprised how much support there is for some. I found a couple companies that still sell and service old Minneapolis Moline stationary units.

I think Nate found an old Mack with that engine in it.

 

[MG2186]

I would have to agree. I'm a duramax fella but a 6.4 deleted is a 570-600hp truck... Not saying it will do it for very long but they will do it. Stock internals and trans are pretty good to do all that.

You're right Cobey, you better be getting some good pistons in it if you planned to run it that way. They are impressive to drive with those staged turbos on them, they're fast and pull dam good too. But the stock cast pistons won't hold up


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[mdavlee]

I was very glad to see my 6.4 go. The truck had other problems and deleting would have messed up getting those fixed.

 

[exSW]

I think Nate found an old Mack with that engine in it.

Can't be that old if its got a Renault in it. Where's Skippy when you actually need him?

 

[Black Dog Chainsaw]

Yea Mike hit the nose on the head... I was searching CL for "diesel" lately and just watch what comes up. I like my Kubota L2900 acreage tractor and the amount of work it gets done vs the fuel it uses. Seems like my dad's 727 Grasshopper mower will drink 5gal of gas in 3-4 hours of cutting...

Anyhow i found a old Mack E-3 6.2L 210hp CS200/250/300 single axle bare chassis cab on CL. From what I read online they had 210HP Renault engines. Supposedly runs and drives but has no title for $750. It looked like something fun to make a military style dump bed for and have a fun weekend rig for cheap... Sounds like Mack has some problems with these trucks and parts aren't readily available for them.

There was also a flat nose Mack Midliner on CL for $1200 with a dump bed already on it with bad Tranny for $1200 (supposedly a good tranny cost $500). It looked like the rig below but has since disappeared from CL...

So I was asking about "big" diesels as in reference to a mid size dump bed truck. Do I really need one??? HELL NO! But if something interensting came up dirt cheap that I could play with and use it to haul dirt, rock, firewood... Just a fun tooling around truck. Also my neighbors and I always need gravel or sand and such so i could hire it out or loan it to friends @Homelite410 , maybe be in a 4th july parade, etc... That being said I didnt want to buy a money pit. Just looking for bigger than a 1 ton, cheap, and reliable.

I might have been keeping a weathered eye out for a cheap 15-30hp diesel to make a log splitter from. Just a tow behind but that is another project and another thing I don't really need.

 

[Homelite410]

I can't help but notice how these scania trucks sound like a big 7.3!

 

[MG2186]

Yea Mike hit the nose on the head... I was searching CL for "diesel" lately and just watch what comes up. I like my Kubota L2900 acreage tractor and the amount of work it gets done vs the fuel it uses. Seems like my dad's 727 Grasshopper mower will drink 5gal of gas in 3-4 hours of cutting...

Anyhow i found a old Mack E-3 6.2L 210hp CS200/250/300 single axle bare chassis cab on CL. From what I read online they had 210HP Renault engines. Supposedly runs and drives but has no title for $750. It looked like something fun to make a military style dump bed for and have a fun weekend rig for cheap... Sounds like Mack has some problems with these trucks and parts aren't readily available for them.

There was also a flat nose Mack Midliner on CL for $1200 with a dump bed already on it with bad Tranny for $1200 (supposedly a good tranny cost $500). It looked like the rig below but has since disappeared from CL...

So I was asking about "big" diesels as in reference to a mid size dump bed truck. Do I really need one??? HELL NO! But if something interensting came up dirt cheap that I could play with and use it to haul dirt, rock, firewood... Just a fun tooling around truck. Also my neighbors and I always need gravel or sand and such so i could hire it out or loan it to friends @Homelite410 , maybe be in a 4th july parade, etc... That being said I didnt want to buy a money pit. Just looking for bigger than a 1 ton, cheap, and reliable.

I might have been keeping a weathered eye out for a cheap 15-30hp diesel to make a log splitter from. Just a tow behind but that is another project and another thing I don't really need.

Nate your best bet would be to find a square body IH with a DT in it, they are a pretty solid truck, parts are cheap and readily available, lots of used parts in salvage yards. They can be found with Allison's pretty easy or a strait 6 speed which makes it easy for non truck drivers to drive them


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