High Quality Chainsaw Bars Husqvarna Toys Hockfire Saws

Any Chinese chainsaw and chinese parts discussion

afleetcommand

Pinnacle OPE Member
Local time
10:35 PM
User ID
2524
Joined
Jan 25, 2017
Messages
978
Reaction score
3,936
Location
CNY
Country flag
So where I was last summer before a fall season logging. Now the g395 is definitely my favorite clone saw of any stripe. It cut three triaxle loads without any issues in fact just got better.

 

afleetcommand

Pinnacle OPE Member
Local time
10:35 PM
User ID
2524
Joined
Jan 25, 2017
Messages
978
Reaction score
3,936
Location
CNY
Country flag
A look at the life with that g395. Definitely the top of the Holzfforma Stack for me. This is why.
The following video Was the "turning" point for me with the g395, just finished a job with it and did the final tweaks. This was a discussion on saw setup along with the final tweaks to the g395. And I did another two loads on the g395 after this video. All the way into winter. It was the go to saw and never gave me a reason to pick up another saw, infact solidified it as one of may "go to" saws for real work. TRYING to have my Husqvarna 585 and 572HTSS punt the g395. But today, April 2 2023..... the Junk pile g372xt is officially off the job and the g395 is back on. Along with that 572HTSS. BUT back to last summer, here was the "turning point" that put the g395 on the top of the Holzfforma heap.



The "play list" of the YouTube video's documenting life with the g395 along with the other saws used year 2022. Really following the g395 was effectively my "saw life" 2022. And it looks like its back to work as my 372 died

 
Last edited:

Czed

Aluminium Member
GoldMember
Local time
10:35 PM
User ID
568
Joined
Jan 17, 2016
Messages
33,108
Reaction score
188,724
Location
Wv
Country flag
Put a 11.00 raisman piston in a 272 for my neighbors budget buildIMG_20230326_180529906_HDR.jpg
IMG_20230326_192522931.jpg
 

thedude74

Bonafide & Stuff !!!
Local time
8:35 PM
User ID
3254
Joined
May 23, 2017
Messages
1,041
Reaction score
3,704
Location
Alaska
Country flag
The Farmertec 361 is the one that caused me the most grief. eventually got a couple running well. The things that I had to do included modifying the tank vent, piercing a hole thru it. And using an OEM cylinder base gasket WITH 1184 both sides as it was tough to keep the cylinder/case flange sealed. And the fuel line too. had junk or rubber stuff from the manufacturing process blocking the flow of fuel. That was the one that took the longest to figure out and once I did and just replaced all the rubber with OEM.....they run fine. :) And the is contrasted by the big g888 which other than a few loose screws, one being a case screw; ran beautifully right out of the box. Even though I can't really use it as its too big, I do periodically pull it out and start it. Funny thing is, that saw is one of the easiest to start of all the blue saws. Might have a video around somewhere from last year when I fired it up.
Very inconsistent these Chinese clones. Mine had two issues. First was the bar adjuster screw was so tight it couldn't be moved by hand. Chucked it in my drill, ran the screw back and forth with wd40 until it loosened up a bit. Second, one of the four screws on the carb cover was stripped...Stole the throttle and choke shaft and swapped it into a used OE Walbro hd18 (ms290-390 029-039)

Of the four 49mm big bore kits I ordered all were junk. Either sloppy piston pin sideplay, egg shaped cylinder(farmertec) that measured 48mmx50mm 😂😂 or the nikasil pealed off like the backing from a decal🤣 I sent them all back minus one.
 

Spike60

Here For The Long Haul!
Local time
10:35 PM
User ID
835
Joined
Feb 8, 2016
Messages
1,942
Reaction score
16,636
Location
Ulster County, NY
Country flag
Finishing up a 372 build this morning. Doing it for someone else, and left it stock other than using a Dukes piston. Most folks out in the real world don't appreciate the extra noise. And honestly, for what I'm charging the guy, I'm not inclined to spend the extra time messing with the cylinder and muffler. Lol

These "performance coated" pistons have become my AM piston of choice. So far, they've been great.

20230402_094758.jpg08 2023 19
 

Spike60

Here For The Long Haul!
Local time
10:35 PM
User ID
835
Joined
Feb 8, 2016
Messages
1,942
Reaction score
16,636
Location
Ulster County, NY
Country flag
So.........did something similar on my 2165 build. No drilling, welding, brazing, baffles, pipes, or screws. No added material at all. Nothing to fall off and no gaping hole for stuff to fall into. Has a decent bark, but not too harsh. The fins are actually a little fatter than how they look. Pic was kind of straight on.

20230402_101852.jpg
 
Last edited:

Czed

Aluminium Member
GoldMember
Local time
10:35 PM
User ID
568
Joined
Jan 17, 2016
Messages
33,108
Reaction score
188,724
Location
Wv
Country flag
Finishing up a 372 build this morning. Doing it for someone else, and left it stock other than using a Dukes piston. Most folks out in the real world don't appreciate the extra noise. And honestly, for what I'm charging the guy, I'm not inclined to spend the extra time messing with the cylinder and muffler. Lol

These "performance coated" pistons have become my AM piston of choice. So far, they've been great.

View attachment 37234208 2023 19
I just used my first one of these seems very well made and had great fitment to the cylinder
I just do rebuilds and a few people want dual port mufflers
IMG_20230331_151047855.jpg
I'll throw a red97 deflector on them.
 

thedude74

Bonafide & Stuff !!!
Local time
8:35 PM
User ID
3254
Joined
May 23, 2017
Messages
1,041
Reaction score
3,704
Location
Alaska
Country flag
Not done with it yet...but she's getting there. Chain has 4 or 5 tanks on it...cound probably use a touch up.

 

thedude74

Bonafide & Stuff !!!
Local time
8:35 PM
User ID
3254
Joined
May 23, 2017
Messages
1,041
Reaction score
3,704
Location
Alaska
Country flag
Little muff mod idea. Sure to ignite a debate. Looked at this stock 162S and thought, "now there's a nice simple idea".

View attachment 372347

So.........did something similar on my 2165 build. No drilling, welding, brazing, baffles, pipes, or screws. No added material at all. Nothing to fall off and no gaping hole for stuff to fall into. Has a decent bark, but not too harsh. The fins are actually a little fatter than how they look. Pic was kind of straight on.

View attachment 372348

I'm rather partial to that type of muffler mod. Gills are easy to cut, look decent, direct flow....and they're free! 😁
 

Spike60

Here For The Long Haul!
Local time
10:35 PM
User ID
835
Joined
Feb 8, 2016
Messages
1,942
Reaction score
16,636
Location
Ulster County, NY
Country flag
Piston turned out to be the only AM part, but it's funny how time can add up. This was a bottom up build with new bearings and seals. Got some extra practice taking the tank on and off. First was to fix the throttle cable that wasn't giving full opening on the carb. Then took it half off cause the tank vent was leaking. In the store, I'd have been watching the clock. But at home, I'm just hanging out in the shop putting a saw together to sell to the guy. Tinkering/relaxing afternoon.

20230402_113421.jpg
 

Spike60

Here For The Long Haul!
Local time
10:35 PM
User ID
835
Joined
Feb 8, 2016
Messages
1,942
Reaction score
16,636
Location
Ulster County, NY
Country flag
That Blue g288 did a fair amount of work. I had Bar oiling issues until I put an OEM pump on it. I left the muffler as delivered and the cylinder too, even is the squish was a bit much just to see if it would function. And it sometimes has carb consistency issues. I'm thinking the intake block / gasket area might need some attention. A base gasket delete might help it snap too. The reason I didn't was I could start it and it worked. Pretty boring in that there was plenty of power, just not enough to brag about. Pretty basic solid saw is what it was. The g395 spoiled it's time for me as it was exciting to run and had power to spare. SO the g288 needed a home where it can just be what it is, now it has one :) Might be interesting to see an OEM top end sit on those cases. The plastic and cases where pretty solid.
Thought about deleting the gasket at some point. Did you measure compression or squish when you had it? I haven't yet myself. I don't think I have an OEM top end lying around. Used one with AM piston would be one avenue. New one would blow the clone's saw expense rationale. Muffler doesn't seem very restricted at all, has a decent size opening, so I'll leave that alone.

You can look at these saws 2 different ways. How good are they vs how good can you make them. IMO, they ought to be usable out of the box. This G288 is a decent saw just as it is, yet there may be potential to make it better. You did a fair amount to that 395 to take it to the next level and put it into the Wow category.
 

afleetcommand

Pinnacle OPE Member
Local time
10:35 PM
User ID
2524
Joined
Jan 25, 2017
Messages
978
Reaction score
3,936
Location
CNY
Country flag
True, didn't do very much at all the g288. Started going back in the video archives and realize I did use it quite a bit paired with my 281. And it's true I didn't do much but change the bar oil pump. And it also did a lot of the noodling and blocking for the prior years firewood so it comes pretty close to being useful out of the box for around $300. I don't remember if I did actually measure or not. I was on a kick at the time of using it as close to how it was delivered as possible....and the g395 broke that attitude with it's rattling piston and enticing performance. ( extra 2.75 lbs too ) One of those I ran it until the next shiny object came along. The endearing part of the 288 was it simple worked . had enough power and was a pretty solid saw. Milled with it a little as well. The path I would have taken that saw would be squish band and /or Lil Red barn popup to get the compression in the 175-180psi range. Decomp hole enlarged a bit. OEM intake block and possibly carb to make it more consistent and OEM ignition because I don't like the AM ignitions. A discussion for another time. The 395 will get an OEM ignition and carb over time. Neither need them to run I guess. But they both exhibited idle, low RPM consistency, and hot restart issues once in a while. Not every time, but usually when I was agitated already about something. A minor thing, a detail usually a few hours into the day with the saw in the tree while I'm looking around.
 

Fun2Cut

Well-Known OPE Member
Local time
10:35 PM
User ID
24987
Joined
Sep 17, 2022
Messages
24
Reaction score
67
Location
Ontario, Canada
Country flag
Not at all trying to steal the discussion but I find this one interesting. I’ve been a long time lurker here. Picked up many tips n other entertainment along the way. Great atmosphere at OPE Forum!!!
I’ve had one of these blue Holzfforma’s- a G372xp to be exact. I bought it on fleaBay because it was cheap and I wanted to see what they’re about. I was initially far from impressed right after it arrived. New fuel line had a 3/4” long gouge out of it in the tank. Cylinder puked in the first 10 minutes of running -clipped a ring in the exhaust port. It sat under the work bench (actually play bench. It’s a spare time thing, this messing-with-chainsaws-disease😉) and I was disgusted. Finally I bought a Hyway 52mm p/c for it and a LRB 52mm popup for a 272… Had to laminate two gaskets together to get .019 squish. Cleaned up the ports and lower transfers. (No, I don’t consider myself very high on the list of knowledge. I did grow up in dads small engine shop, sure. But it’s more that every now n then I just have this itch that needs scratched…) Got it all together and still had a hard time tuning satisfactory. Finally slapped an oem hd-12 into it. Then I had control of that thing. Gave it a dual 3/4” port muffler and it ripped. FINALLY!!! 🙈🥵 I cut firewood with it with h an 18 inch bar and 10T sprocket. I liked the set up. Found a big white oak a neighbour wanted cleaned up and gave the little blue boy a snort. 28” with 8T sprocket. Was happy with performance. Ended up trading it for 2 390’s that needed TLC. Good learning curve for sure. Don’t think I’ll walk across a street to own a knock-off again tho. Not saying they’re write-off junk. Just I don’t feel like bothering with them again… View attachment 372468
 

Attachments

  • 6B62EEFB-D588-45FF-A2B1-3DAEC6C45A33.jpeg
    6B62EEFB-D588-45FF-A2B1-3DAEC6C45A33.jpeg
    161.6 KB · Views: 9
  • FBAE2600-C315-4DFB-B5CC-B94D3810B29A.jpeg
    FBAE2600-C315-4DFB-B5CC-B94D3810B29A.jpeg
    306.1 KB · Views: 10
  • F01EEF89-0D6A-4F41-87C0-99ADE5AEDE56.jpeg
    F01EEF89-0D6A-4F41-87C0-99ADE5AEDE56.jpeg
    137.3 KB · Views: 11
  • EEA28642-A7CF-4314-AD42-C0E3667EA6AB.jpeg
    EEA28642-A7CF-4314-AD42-C0E3667EA6AB.jpeg
    129.3 KB · Views: 12

afleetcommand

Pinnacle OPE Member
Local time
10:35 PM
User ID
2524
Joined
Jan 25, 2017
Messages
978
Reaction score
3,936
Location
CNY
Country flag
Not at all trying to steal the discussion but I find this one interesting. I’ve been a long time lurker here. Picked up many tips n other entertainment along the way. Great atmosphere at OPE Forum!!!
I’ve had one of these blue Holzfforma’s- a G372xp to be exact. I bought it on fleaBay because it was cheap and I wanted to see what they’re about. I was initially far from impressed right after it arrived. New fuel line had a 3/4” long gouge out of it in the tank. Cylinder puked in the first 10 minutes of running -clipped a ring in the exhaust port. It sat under the work bench (actually play bench. It’s a spare time thing, this messing-with-chainsaws-disease😉) and I was disgusted. Finally I bought a Hyway 52mm p/c for it and a LRB 52mm popup for a 272… Had to laminate two gaskets together to get .019 squish. Cleaned up the ports and lower transfers. (No, I don’t consider myself very high on the list of knowledge. I did grow up in dads small engine shop, sure. But it’s more that every now n then I just have this itch that needs scratched…) Got it all together and still had a hard time tuning satisfactory. Finally slapped an oem hd-12 into it. Then I had control of that thing. Gave it a dual 3/4” port muffler and it ripped. FINALLY!!! 🙈🥵 I cut firewood with it with h an 18 inch bar and 10T sprocket. I liked the set up. Found a big white oak a neighbour wanted cleaned up and gave the little blue boy a snort. 28” with 8T sprocket. Was happy with performance. Ended up trading it for 2 390’s that needed TLC. Good learning curve for sure. Don’t think I’ll walk across a street to own a knock-off again tho. Not saying they’re write-off junk. Just I don’t feel like bothering with them again… View attachment 372468
Problem is you can't use a sample of one and paint the entire AM world with that experience. I have to admit I avoid the AM 372's as all mine had issues, a sample of like 5 or 6. All tweaked except one....and I think it's still is in running condition :)

( documented AdNauseam on YouTube )

Conversely the experience I had with the 660 clones and now 395 was completely different. Some AM copies are done better than others, and like even OEM saws, some samples are better than others. Take that logic to the OEM, and some buyers of early 562's even early 372's where there were catastrophic ( Warranty resolved ) issues, would paint all Husqvarna's as hand grenades.
 

Fun2Cut

Well-Known OPE Member
Local time
10:35 PM
User ID
24987
Joined
Sep 17, 2022
Messages
24
Reaction score
67
Location
Ontario, Canada
Country flag
Problem is you can't use a sample of one and paint the entire AM world with that experience. I have to admit I avoid the AM 372's as all mine had issues, a sample of like 5 or 6. All tweaked except one....and I think it's still is in running condition :) ( documented AdNauseam on YouTube ) Conversely the experience I had with the 660 clones and now 395 was completely different. Some AM copies are done better than others, and like even OEM saws, some samples are better than others. Take that logic to the OEM, and some buyers of early 562's even early 372's where there were catastrophic ( Warranty resolved ) issues, would paint all Husqvarna's as hand grenades.
Very true that! A broad brush is sure to make many mistakes in a scenario with so many variables!!
Like I said, I by far don’t have the most knowledge or experience around here!! It made a great project/self-teacher saw. And it turned out quite well in the end. I told the guy who got it that I didn’t touch the bottom end at all except replace seals with oem. He didn’t seem worried at all about bearings grenading… Those AM bearings would have been the next thing I’d have hit if I was gonna keep it.
 

Czed

Aluminium Member
GoldMember
Local time
10:35 PM
User ID
568
Joined
Jan 17, 2016
Messages
33,108
Reaction score
188,724
Location
Wv
Country flag
Not at all trying to steal the discussion but I find this one interesting. I’ve been a long time lurker here. Picked up many tips n other entertainment along the way. Great atmosphere at OPE Forum!!!
I’ve had one of these blue Holzfforma’s- a G372xp to be exact. I bought it on fleaBay because it was cheap and I wanted to see what they’re about. I was initially far from impressed right after it arrived. New fuel line had a 3/4” long gouge out of it in the tank. Cylinder puked in the first 10 minutes of running -clipped a ring in the exhaust port. It sat under the work bench (actually play bench. It’s a spare time thing, this messing-with-chainsaws-disease😉) and I was disgusted. Finally I bought a Hyway 52mm p/c for it and a LRB 52mm popup for a 272… Had to laminate two gaskets together to get .019 squish. Cleaned up the ports and lower transfers. (No, I don’t consider myself very high on the list of knowledge. I did grow up in dads small engine shop, sure. But it’s more that every now n then I just have this itch that needs scratched…) Got it all together and still had a hard time tuning satisfactory. Finally slapped an oem hd-12 into it. Then I had control of that thing. Gave it a dual 3/4” port muffler and it ripped. FINALLY!!! 🙈🥵 I cut firewood with it with h an 18 inch bar and 10T sprocket. I liked the set up. Found a big white oak a neighbour wanted cleaned up and gave the little blue boy a snort. 28” with 8T sprocket. Was happy with performance. Ended up trading it for 2 390’s that needed TLC. Good learning curve for sure. Don’t think I’ll walk across a street to own a knock-off again tho. Not saying they’re write-off junk. Just I don’t feel like bothering with them again… View attachment 372468
I found a better quality 365/372 clone that wasn't a holzfforma different castings still had some tinkering to do to them
But they have been fine in our use here.
I was offered a free 660 holzfforma and a ms250 clone
I wouldn't let him put the saws in my truck
Who would want that aggravation or anything stihl related.
 

Czed

Aluminium Member
GoldMember
Local time
10:35 PM
User ID
568
Joined
Jan 17, 2016
Messages
33,108
Reaction score
188,724
Location
Wv
Country flag
Might get a 288 clone IMG_20230403_133343384_HDR.jpg
I have a extra oem 288 cylinder kit if needed
I don't need all the weight of a 394/395 strong saws though.
 
Top