Any Chinese chainsaw and chinese parts discussion

[Duke Thieroff]

Talking to an Aussie
He bought one of these 272 clones a 484 and 680 they are called i guess from what i read
with a 56mm
He measured the cylinder kit on it.
Have you heard of these?
He said the cylinder kits seperate were 15.00 us
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.made...ne-Power-Tool-New-Model-Eh-860-835119035.html
Haven't found any i can order
I'd like to try a couple.

Maybe I'll ask around....

 

[Terry Syd]

56mm - 85cc, Crikey, that could possibly be a BIG upgrade on a 365-372. Just have to make sure that the transfers can flow that much displacement. Many times the transfer tunnels suffer a restriction from making the bore larger.

I'm happy with the 77cc jug I got that has the 372 transfers. It has good top-end with lots of grunt with the proper carb. However, if a good 56mm jug was available when I built it, I would have gone for it - no replacement for displacement!

 

[Spike60]

@Spike60 seemed to be of the opinion that these had the smaller 365 style transfers as well. I'm not super well versed in all of the little differences on them but he opined that these kits likely have some more lugging power than the larger 372 style ports.

And yes, they really are pretty clean kits with nice workmanship overall.

Bob, would you care to chime in a little bit since you also have the kit in hand?


Thanks!

Yeah, I've looked it over pretty good. Haven't put it on the saw yet. I'm rebuilding a pretty beat up 1999 372XPG that was owned by a logger. I know this is a goofy way to look at it, but if a saw is cosmetically beat looking I don't think it deserves a nice OEM top end. So, I'm going to use this AM kit on that saw.

Fit and finish on the kit is very nice. Could use it just as it is out of the box. Only thing I will alter is the intake port is little smaller than stock, so I'll open it up to match the OEM/intake boot. As far as the smaller transfers go, they are the same size as the 365 transfers, as you can see in some of the pics that have been posted. What this should do is lower or widen the power curve a bit. 365's have always been underrated IMO, and they do have some of that "lugging" ability when you lean on it. It's similar to the 51.4mm XPW top end that has extra material in the ports; it's designed to make it's power a little sooner in the RPM range. Is this kit going to give up a little on the high end? I don't know, it might. But I'm going to cut firewood with it, not going cant racing.

In evaluating these kits the fit and finish/quality of the kit and the precession of the kit are 2 different things. If performance is the real goal then OEM is going to get you there sooner and with a lot less work because that precession is already there, along with the quality of the casting. But if you just want a nice running saw for reduced cost, then as long as the quality is there the accuracy of the port timing and all that isn't a big deal IMO. And it shouldn't be expected at aftermarket prices anyway.

The one exception though is that some AM kits can have excessive squish/low compression, even without a gasket. If that's the case, it's junk no matter how nice it looks. I'll measure both when I get to putting it on the saw and share it with you guys. I'll likely run it without a gasket, cause that's what I usually do on my own stuff anyway.

 

[Czed]

56mm - 85cc, Crikey, that could possibly be a BIG upgrade on a 365-372. Just have to make sure that the transfers can flow that much displacement. Many times the transfer tunnels suffer a restriction from making the bore larger.

I'm happy with the 77cc jug I got that has the 372 transfers. It has good top-end with lots of grunt with the proper carb. However, if a good 56mm jug was available when I built it, I would have gone for it - no replacement for displacement!

Those are the 272 clones
The baumr ag have the 82cc and 92cc allegedly.
I'm Hoping to find just the cylinder kits.
Do you know anyone that would ship a couple?

 

[Czed]

Yeah, I've looked it over pretty good. Haven't put it on the saw yet. I'm rebuilding a pretty beat up 1999 372XPG that was owned by a logger. I know this is a goofy way to look at it, but if a saw is cosmetically beat looking I don't think it deserves a nice OEM top end. So, I'm going to use this AM kit on that saw.

Fit and finish on the kit is very nice. Could use it just as it is out of the box. Only thing I will alter is the intake port is little smaller than stock, so I'll open it up to match the OEM/intake boot. As far as the smaller transfers go, they are the same size as the 365 transfers, as you can see in some of the pics that have been posted. What this should do is lower or widen the power curve a bit. 365's have always been underrated IMO, and they do have some of that "lugging" ability when you lean on it. It's similar to the 51.4mm XPW top end that has extra material in the ports; it's designed to make it's power a little sooner in the RPM range. Is this kit going to give up a little on the high end? I don't know, it might. But I'm going to cut firewood with it, not going cant racing.

In evaluating these kits the fit and finish/quality of the kit and the precession of the kit are 2 different things. If performance is the real goal then OEM is going to get you there sooner and with a lot less work because that precession is already there, along with the quality of the casting. But if you just want a nice running saw for reduced cost, then as long as the quality is there the accuracy of the port timing and all that isn't a big deal IMO. And it shouldn't be expected at aftermarket prices anyway.

The one exception though is that some AM kits can have excessive squish/low compression, even without a gasket. If that's the case, it's junk no matter how nice it looks. I'll measure both when I get to putting it on the saw and share it with you guys. I'll likely run it without a gasket, cause that's what I usually do on my own stuff anyway.

I didn't know you were a psp guy?

 

[Spike60]

A what? Can't decode that one. LOL

 

[huskyboy]

A what? Can't decode that one. LOL

Ported saw polisher lol

 

[Czed]

They baby their saws to the extreme

A what? Can't decode that one. LOL

A what? Can't decode that one. LOL

Guy's that are all prissy about a saw
And won't own a scratched one.
I have a sweet all original 266xp
With 190 comp
Had a few scratches guy didn't want it
No more lol

 

[Czed]

A what? Can't decode that one. LOL

Got this nice 268 out of Florida
all of them are beat to death local that i find.
It'll be run
Probably with a ported zoo city 272 cylinder.
Has about two inches of travel on the recoil
Rope
Bought hit myself in the face the first pull.

 

[Spike60]

They baby their saws to the extreme


Guy's that are all prissy about a saw
And won't own a scratched one.
I have a sweet all original 266xp
With 190 comp
Had a few scratches guy didn't want it
No more lol

Yeah, on a couple different levels I gotta admit.

If a saw is clean, I do like to keep it that way. And it'll get a little more cleaning when I'm done with it.

But I also have a bunch of rough looking saws that I call The Rat Patrol, and in a way they're more fun than the semi-shelf queens. They get more use than the saws in "the collection", and I like that I don't have to fuss over them. This 372G I'm doing is going to stay rough looking.

 

[Czed]

Yeah, on a couple different levels I gotta admit.

If a saw is clean, I do like to keep it that way. And it'll get a little more cleaning when I'm done with it.

But I also have a bunch of rough looking saws that I call The Rat Patrol, and in a way they're more fun than the semi-shelf queens. They get more use than the saws in "the collection", and I like that I don't have to fuss over them. This 372G I'm doing is going to stay rough looking.

I get a saw
1400 psi pressure wash after a foaming shower cleaner bath.
Replace parts and
Run them
Just like my vehicles.

 

[Czed]

Maybe I'll ask around....

Put me down for 2

You'd corner the us market
I've never seen anyone on Facebook in the us
or on the saw forums have one.
Probably be a good seller for you.

 

[Duke Thieroff]

Yeah, I've looked it over pretty good. Haven't put it on the saw yet. I'm rebuilding a pretty beat up 1999 372XPG that was owned by a logger. I know this is a goofy way to look at it, but if a saw is cosmetically beat looking I don't think it deserves a nice OEM top end. So, I'm going to use this AM kit on that saw.

Fit and finish on the kit is very nice. Could use it just as it is out of the box. Only thing I will alter is the intake port is little smaller than stock, so I'll open it up to match the OEM/intake boot. As far as the smaller transfers go, they are the same size as the 365 transfers, as you can see in some of the pics that have been posted. What this should do is lower or widen the power curve a bit. 365's have always been underrated IMO, and they do have some of that "lugging" ability when you lean on it. It's similar to the 51.4mm XPW top end that has extra material in the ports; it's designed to make it's power a little sooner in the RPM range. Is this kit going to give up a little on the high end? I don't know, it might. But I'm going to cut firewood with it, not going cant racing.

In evaluating these kits the fit and finish/quality of the kit and the precession of the kit are 2 different things. If performance is the real goal then OEM is going to get you there sooner and with a lot less work because that precession is already there, along with the quality of the casting. But if you just want a nice running saw for reduced cost, then as long as the quality is there the accuracy of the port timing and all that isn't a big deal IMO. And it shouldn't be expected at aftermarket prices anyway.

The one exception though is that some AM kits can have excessive squish/low compression, even without a gasket. If that's the case, it's junk no matter how nice it looks. I'll measure both when I get to putting it on the saw and share it with you guys. I'll likely run it without a gasket, cause that's what I usually do on my own stuff anyway.

Spike, thanks a ton for your expertise on this. That specialized information is awesome. I love to read about it.
Definitely interested in the outcome as far as squish and in-field performance is concerned.

 

[Czed]

2000 371
i rebuilt a couple year's ago.
Meteor piston kit.
China parts are the seals, muffler,carb,wrap handle bar,throttle cable,rim sprocket and av mounts.
no issue's with any of the china parts.
He sells firewood
And this is his only saw.
I got him four more upstart chains.
He's still running the three i got him when i rebuilt his saw.

 

[Spike60]

That's a good project and with plenty of time on it. Lot of parts like mufflers and brake handles, don't really "fail". If they fit they work. And the carbs and ignitions have gotten better.

We focus an awful lot on the cylinder kits, cause we can have some fun with them. But it's all the other stuff to complete a saw that can really add up and blow the project budget. Example: I have a very clean 372 starter housing that is gutted. Needs a pulley, spring, rope and handle. My dealer cost on those parts is $35; And we all know what the entire Huztl starter costs. The Huztl starter obviously isn't as good, but it works OK. If a 372 is missing both side covers you are looking at $120 for the pair vs $10 for the 2 farmertec items. I've noticed the adjuster isn't as smooth on the FT clutch cover, but it's a decent part.

I naturally try and stick with OEM on customer stuff, but other situations do come up. Long time logger recently passed away, and there's a lot of saws in various stages of logger abuse. His nephew is a buddy of mine and the saws all went to him. My role in this is to donate the labor and get a bunch of these saws up and running for their little group, cause I know all these guys. No one is looking to make any money here, the deal is that while the guy is gone, we're gonna keep his saws out in the woods cutting.

But doing all those saws with OEM parts would really run up the price tag on most of these saws cause they all have some missing or broken parts. In the same way Dave took care of his friend with that 1999, I've got a half dozen 372's to do for these guys. Using AM parts to complete these saws is the only way to keep the cost from going through the roof. But they gotta buy their bars and chains!

 

[Czed]

That's a good project and with plenty of time on it. Lot of parts like mufflers and brake handles, don't really "fail". If they fit they work. And the carbs and ignitions have gotten better.

We focus an awful lot on the cylinder kits, cause we can have some fun with them. But it's all the other stuff to complete a saw that can really add up and blow the project budget. Example: I have a very clean 372 starter housing that is gutted. Needs a pulley, spring, rope and handle. My dealer cost on those parts is $35; And we all know what the entire Huztl starter costs. The Huztl starter obviously isn't as good, but it works OK. If a 372 is missing both side covers you are looking at $120 for the pair vs $10 for the 2 farmertec items. I've noticed the adjuster isn't as smooth on the FT clutch cover, but it's a decent part.

I naturally try and stick with OEM on customer stuff, but other situations do come up. Long time logger recently passed away, and there's a lot of saws in various stages of logger abuse. His nephew is a buddy of mine and the saws all went to him. My role in this is to donate the labor and get a bunch of these saws up and running for their little group, cause I know all these guys. No one is looking to make any money here, the deal is that while the guy is gone, we're gonna keep his saws out in the woods cutting.

But doing all those saws with OEM parts would really run up the price tag on most of these saws cause they all have some missing or broken parts. In the same way Dave took care of his friend with that 1999, I've got a half dozen 372's to do for these guys. Using AM parts to complete these saws is the only way to keep the cost from going through the roof. But they gotta buy their bars and chains!

I got one of your favorite saws in to fixpregnant 455
Guy has 2 only 2 I've ever seen
The local dealer said he couldn't give these away
When they were released.

 

[Spike60]

Sold pretty good here. Guys liked running them, but you couldn't keep them in the woods. The unofficial "correction" to the bottom end problem was a rebuild with 2 case gaskets. The silver lining though was that it forced them to bring back the original 372 for a while, and then update it to the XT version. So we got all those extra years of 372's cause the 575 was a mess.

The bad vibe from that saw hurt the rep of the 576, which was a shame. The 576 was a really good saw that never caught on.

 

[Czed]

That's a good project and with plenty of time on it. Lot of parts like mufflers and brake handles, don't really "fail". If they fit they work. And the carbs and ignitions have gotten better.

We focus an awful lot on the cylinder kits, cause we can have some fun with them. But it's all the other stuff to complete a saw that can really add up and blow the project budget. Example: I have a very clean 372 starter housing that is gutted. Needs a pulley, spring, rope and handle. My dealer cost on those parts is $35; And we all know what the entire Huztl starter costs. The Huztl starter obviously isn't as good, but it works OK. If a 372 is missing both side covers you are looking at $120 for the pair vs $10 for the 2 farmertec items. I've noticed the adjuster isn't as smooth on the FT clutch cover, but it's a decent part.

I naturally try and stick with OEM on customer stuff, but other situations do come up. Long time logger recently passed away, and there's a lot of saws in various stages of logger abuse. His nephew is a buddy of mine and the saws all went to him. My role in this is to donate the labor and get a bunch of these saws up and running for their little group, cause I know all these guys. No one is looking to make any money here, the deal is that while the guy is gone, we're gonna keep his saws out in the woods cutting.

But doing all those saws with OEM parts would really run up the price tag on most of these saws cause they all have some missing or broken parts. In the same way Dave took care of his friend with that 1999, I've got a half dozen 372's to do for these guys. Using AM parts to complete these saws is the only way to keep the cost from going through the roof. But they gotta buy their bars and chains!

Absolutely probably 70.00 total parts cost
And he didn't have to replace his only saw.
Not much margin selling and delivering
Firewood one man band style.
His imitation gb bar rattle can paint
Actually held up better than my oem gb bar paint did.
Unlike the 268/272 tiny welded mufflers
Prone to break.
The 372s have been very robust
5.00 often
7 for the price of one oem.
Haven't tried the top exit am style yet.
Some of the am stihl handlebars are
Very bendy
It's odd the husky one's I've used
Have been excellent.
Like we say it's a crapshoot with the variety of am vendor's.
No matter what the am china rings,rubber bits, fuel line's,boots etc. 365/372 chain brake spring's or geometry of them
Still suck.
But the metal parts are improving as a whole.
I was forced to take this mess yesterday.
Just wanted the 50 to do a 028 super piston
Conversion on.
I'll run am parts on some of them and
Put them in the back of neighbors truck's
So they won't ask for my good saws.

 

[Czed]

Sold pretty good here. Guys liked running them, but you couldn't keep them in the woods. The unofficial "correction" to the bottom end problem was a rebuild with 2 case gaskets. The silver lining though was that it forced them to bring back the original 372 for a while, and then update it to the XT version. So we got all those extra years of 372's cause the 575 was a mess.

The bad vibe from that saw hurt the rep of the 576, which was a shame. The 576 was a really good saw that never caught on.

This one hemmorages bar oil
The owner said i haven't meased with it yet.
He took it back to the dealer back then
They said is wasn't worth fixing
He actually bought another of these things.

 

[Czed]

@Poleman
Been running your 372 any?