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Damage report kill switch took a dump guts fell apart.
30 second fix to swap it out.
Put thread locker on the spike fastners nothing else has ever come loose.
All good to go now.
Sarina stopped by haven't seen her in month's.
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Yep the kill switches are junk.....but cheap!!!! Lol. Well these Chinese saw have the same issues as the real things..... screws backing out....dogs, top screws and starter screws!!!
 

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Yes Dolly carbs are like that one! That was a 12 from a 7900. Just a little.burr work on the choke connection to open it to fit the Husky choke.
Here's a pic of the 55.00 free ship amazon carbs do you know of a better deal somewhere.41aczpLicvL._SY400_.jpg
 

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The adjustment screws on that one look a little different than the c3m that I have. Is that a twin jet?
 

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The adjustment screws on that one look a little different than the c3m that I have. Is that a twin jet?
I have some more pics but that's it from amazon.
I've never messed with the dolmar carbs before.31va4i7hslL._SY400_.jpg 41wRvH-pVSL._SY400_.jpg 41+oo1kzPuL._SY400_.jpg
 

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The DM 11 is the Dolmar/Mikita 6400 carb. But if that's a picture of it it has the Husky choke hole and the H /L screw look like Aftermarket but there are so many different variations on the needle screws.
If that a legit it should be a twin jet. Best price I've seen for one also.
Second carb pictured I'm not sure what that is...... it's just built different with different placement of fuel/impulse tubes.
 

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The DM 11 is the Dolmar/Mikita 6400 carb. But if that's a picture of it it has the Husky choke hole and the H /L screw look like Aftermarket but there are so many different variations on the needle screws.
If that a legit it should be a twin jet. Best price I've seen for one also.
Second carb pictured I'm not sure what that is...... it's just built different with different placement of fuel/impulse tubes.
I wish you worked on tillotsons lol don't know if there is a zama that fit's it.
But this 288 has some balls to it lol
I just rebuilt it.20170820_174022.jpg 20170820_172646.jpg
 

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Husky used a Walbro HD12 on their 72cc 372xp. The zama c3m only came on Husky's 365, and according to Terry seems to only be jetted for ~65cc. Despite that, Dolmar used it on their 65cc 6400, as well as their 79cc 7900. The issue a lot of people I think are trying to solve is find a carb that is proper for working with a ported 75cc 372xpw, or an aftermarket bigbore kit for a 372, or a stock/ported 7900/7910.
The Tilly carb already works well for the 288xp/lite it came with. That rebuild sure looks clean, nice work. How do you like that Raisman bar?
 

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Husky used a Walbro HD12 on their 72cc 372xp. The zama c3m only came on Husky's 365, and according to Terry seems to only be jetted for ~65cc. Despite that, Dolmar used it on their 65cc 6400, as well as their 79cc 7900. The issue a lot of people I think are trying to solve is find a carb that is proper for working with a ported 75cc 372xpw, or an aftermarket bigbore kit for a 372, or a stock/ported 7900/7910.
The Tilly carb already works well for the 288xp/lite it came with. That rebuild sure looks clean, nice work. How do you like that Raisman bar?
Love the tilly's just joking this saw started second pull yesterday on it's first start since rebuild.
Then one pull all day.
I'm building two more for friends they supplied the part's.
I just used the raisman bar to tune in wood no issue's feel like an oregon with less flex 15.00 a bar i think on sale.20170820_110621.jpg
 

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The DM 11 is the Dolmar/Mikita 6400 carb. But if that's a picture of it it has the Husky choke hole and the H /L screw look like Aftermarket but there are so many different variations on the needle screws.
If that a legit it should be a twin jet. Best price I've seen for one also.
Second carb pictured I'm not sure what that is...... it's just built different with different placement of fuel/impulse tubes.
How do you like the 620 i bought 2 of the 590s when they came out to see if they were any good lol
5 years later and i still haven't used the second one.
I've cut countless load's of firewood for myself and friends.
I woods ported it recently and added a 372 full wrap.
Good saw's I've loaned mine out many time's and other than a chain adjust going bad that's it been tough.20170804_152646.jpg
 

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Those are probably the BEST saw for the money going!!!!! All they need is a muffler mod and their good!!
Their SUPER ported and a 620 coil!!!
I love the way they run.....just not the way they feel....

Dealer here has probably sold over 300 of them.....not a return!!!! They are defiantly built well along with excellent internal detail.
You might as well sell the second one.....you'll never need it!!!! Lol
 

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I ordered two 590s off amazon and a 490 after friends tried mine.
They don't do online shopping lol
They love them.
I agree best deal out there for the average guy needing a 60cc or even the 490.
At 220.00 so far the 365s have been excellent but not for you're every day fella probably.
Most don't work on their saw's and the little stuff like the fuel lines and the one carb needed a different spring.
Wouldn't work for them but i likes to tinker.
 

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The zama c3m only came on Husky's 365, and according to Terry seems to only be jetted for ~65cc. Despite that, Dolmar used it on their 65cc 6400, as well as their 79cc 7900.

The 'twin jet' comes stock with two .25mm jets. That jetting probably will work on a 50cc saw. I use .30 and .35 on my 64cc saw. I noticed Rich had set up Czed's saw with a .30 and .40mm jets. (a .40 jet moves a lot of fuel)

The stock twin jet is set up for EPA regulations. However, the carb is very easy to mod for different engine configurations. In fact, after studying the carb, I figure the engineer probably designed the carb to use screw in jets. Now that would be a neat carb to work with, the 'Mikuni' of the chainsaw world. You could dial it in during an afternoon while out cutting.

It also has a casting for putting in an air-bleed on the main jet. The air bleed on the main keeps the engine from going rich at high RPM. I put in an air bleed system (it required an extra check valve to prevent air from leaking into the wet side). The engine revved like a motocross bike and unless I had bought a limited coil I was holding a hand grenade, so I blocked off the air bleed. - It would have worked well on a kart going down the back straight though.

Although the venturi looks small, it is because it was designed on a flow bench. The additional material at the base of the nozzle is to prevent eddies in the flow. It is a very well thought out carb by a professional designer of carburetors.

Hopefully, someone will find a Chinese manufacturer that is still producing them.
 

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We can only HOPE Terry!!!

I had a couple of Zama el8's come through.... those are nice carbs. Similar to the DN11 & 12's off a Dolmar but main jet is larger in size and sticks up more and is super easy to pull compared to the lower and smaller jet on the 11/12's.
I really find it interesting of the different uses of the same type carbs and why more carbs aren't used and converted for different models. I know....a "Hot Ridders" dream.
Wouldn't it seem feasible to produce carbs of the same build for different saws at a reduced price to produce.
 

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Rich, I think it has to go back to the EPA issue. If you look at all the carbs (Walbro, Zama) they have the same .25mm auxiliary jet. I expect that that was some sort of mandate from the EPA - no matter what size the engine.

Of course, we can always tweak those jets...
 

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I'm sure your right Terry, with the EPA mandates on emissions produced by all two stroke saws/engines. I only expect it to get worse in the future to try to clean them up.
As you and I know along with any saw enthusiast they try to make them run leaner and cleaner. Now with computer controlled adjustments on some models.
 

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Terry:
I'm keen to send Rich a C3M I acquired to fit to a 372xpw I have. I hear there is more acceleration and maybe even low-end torque to be found with a modified jet zama than with the OEM Walbro HD12B.
But what I'm curious about is the Venturi. Specifically, it's smaller in the Zama. You've explained away that by saying that the carb was designed on a flow bench, and not to worry about the smaller diameter. But in all cases it seems that manufacturers are using larger Venturi carbs on larger saws. The standard thinking has been a larger Venturi = more air = more fuel = more power. So I'm wondering why this doesn't seem to hold with the zama and it's smaller Venturi = more power?
Larger Venturi = more air. The amount of air flow is fixed based on the carb inner dimensions. We can drill jets to add more fuel than the EPA wanted, but we aren't changing how much air flows through them. More air means you can add more fuel without going too rich in air-fuel mix.
I guess I'm just wondering why doesn't the smaller Venturi bother you on larger saws?
Possible answers are
1) because "it just works"
2) the twin jet zama is nicer to work on than a Walbro because of the separate idle/aux jets in addition to the transition jet. So you can play with one set of jets and not affect the other, which is easier for modding. Worthwhile trade-off for a smaller Venturi.
3) the EPA mandated 0.25 aux jets, essentially "fixing" the jet size to keep the air-fuel mix lean. Opening the jet larger allows more fuel to flow, which under EPA guidelines should have required a larger Venturi to flow more air and keep the mix "lean". A larger Venturi for more air isn't really needed, just more fuel to realize the missing power.
 

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The C3M and Walbro HD series are designed to be a certain size. There are limits to what you can do within those size constraints. The Zama took the approach of a good metering carb with the flowed venturi.

Long story, I spent a day with Jerry Branch of Flometrics in Signal Hill back in the early 1970s. Look him up on the 'net - he was the man you went to for porting. I found out he had built a Kawasaki rotary valve engine and I was running one in my desert bike. I called him up and he invited me over "I've got to mail out some heads in the morning, but I have the rest of the day free, anytime after 10am" - I was there at 10.

After we finished discussing the bike (he showed me a trick that I used, it made the carb flow like a bigger carb) we then spent the rest of the day talking flow bench and porting. There was this one head he was proud of and pulled down a stock head off the rack. I looked down the port and thought it looked fine, nice and straight and big with no restrictions. Then he pulled down his ported head - the port was not only smaller it was no longer straight. He kept meticulous records/graphs and showed me the flow rates between the two ports. The smaller port was flowing a lot more than the stock port. - The flow bench doesn't lie!

When I saw the Zama venturi I was reminded of something he showed me about valve guides in ports. Some guys will knock out the valve guide, then grind the port nice and big and then punch the guide back in (think of the carburetor main discharge nozzle sticking out into the carb flow). Jerry explained the turbulence at the base of the guide and how the eddies are parts of the flow that are going BACKWARDS in the port.

He used a lot of modeling clay in his development work on the flow bench. On some heads, to duplicate what the modeling clay told him, he actually welded in extra material around where the valve guide came in so he could port it the shape of the clay.

The Zama has a weird shaped venturi, not only around the base of the nozzle, but also just down stream of the nozzle. It looked like something Jerry Branch would come up with.

One of his best demonstrations came when he put a really slick looking air horn on the flow bench and ran it up. I forget the actual numbers, but say it showed 600 cubic feet a minute. He then took some of his modeling clay and rolled up a little ball about the size of a pea and stuck it on the edge of the air horn. The flow meter jumped up 25 cfm. He then made another 'pea' and put it on the other side of the air horn, up another 25cfm. He eventually had 6 of these ugly clay peas sitting on the edge of the beautiful air horn and the flow bench showed 750 cfm.

I said "so the air horn doesn't work, it restricts the flow". No, he said the carburetor it fits only flowed 450 cfm. So, the air horn is worthless I replied. No, he said, "it makes the owner feel better about his bike" and he laughed.

It was a great day with a true master of the art of porting.
 

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So I'm guessing this is the twin jet carb that you guys are taking about?
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