What oil is best? and what ratio?

[rogue60]

Who said anything specifically about Dominator other than that it was the lowest viscosity oil of those tested that did the best, the rest were all over the map in terms of viscosity and how well they did. If viscosity was an all important factor, the viscosity would have had some pattern relative to its performance. There was no relevant pattern between viscosity and performance, how would you categorize that then?

I don't understand the question sorry?. What are you asking me is it why no performance differences between oil viscosity in weed eaters? My guess is they are lowlie industrial weed eaters probably?? IDK wrong answer? am I in trouble now?

 

[mrxlh]

I don't understand the question sorry?. What are you asking me is it why no performance differences between oil viscosity in weed eaters? My guess is they are lowlie industrial weed eaters probably?? IDK wrong answer? am I in trouble now?

The question was if base viscosity was an all important factor in how well an oil (in this thread specifically meaning how an oil performs in a 2 stroke) performs as you stated it does. Why were the test results not in order of viscosity? Stating that an oils base viscosity is directly related to how well it performs is your position, feeling or opinion. Now if you stated that VI (viscosity improvers, alas add pack stuff) was the most important factor in how well an oil performed, that may be factual. Julian’s tests were cut time/performance related, Steves were longevity/duration tests, neither concluded that base viscosity was an indication of how well an oil performed.

 

[Likesaws]

I like the oil that I use. Most work for me some better than others. I buy good oil try to use fresh e free gas. I don’t buy cheapest oil but try to buy good rated oil. Many brands work for me. If someone uses what you don’t like it’s their saw not yours and they replace it when something happens to it. Not worth getting your panties in a wad.

 

[Partner]

2 stroke oil isn’t sold/labeled by API viscosity…You actually have to go look at the spec sheets to see what viscosity the oil is.

You're right, in Europe now when you buy any bottle of any oil it says "if you want to know anything, ask for the safety data sheet"

 

[rogue60]

The question was if base viscosity was an all important factor in how well an oil (in this thread specifically meaning how an oil performs in a 2 stroke) performs as you stated it does. Why were the test results not in order of viscosity? Stating that an oils base viscosity is directly related to how well it performs is your position, feeling or opinion. Now if you stated that VI (viscosity improvers, alas add pack stuff) was the most important factor in how well an oil performed, that may be factual. Julian’s tests were cut time/performance related, Steves were longevity/duration tests, neither concluded that base viscosity was an indication of how well an oil performed.

I was just relaying what companies that test oil performance for a living have concluded regarding viscosity engine protection and ring seal.
These companies actually have equipment that can measure ring seal and engine wear yeah all that scientific stuffs.
If that contradicts what dudes testing oil at home in weed eaters have found I can't help ya not my problem.

 

[mrxlh]

I was just relaying what companies that test oil performance for a living have concluded regarding viscosity engine protection and ring seal.
These companies actually have equipment that can measure ring seal and engine wear yeah all that scientific stuffs.
If that contradicts what dudes testing oil at home in weed eaters have found I can't help ya not my problem.

Oh no worries, you must have missed Julian’s testing and outcomes then. They were all performance related as in actual cut times, I guess they were not valid either…

 

[rogue60]

Oh no worries, you must have missed Julian’s testing and outcomes then. They were all performance related as in actual cut times, I guess they were not valid either…

Omg you never stop lol
No offence to Julian but he's never worn out a pro saw.
Yeah probably the last guy's I'd take advice from in regards to a good performing oil in chainsaws over it's life are guy's that play with saws here and there.
You know I'd like a little more evidence that an oil is the greatest than I've run a couple gallons of gas and am here to tell you this is the greatest performing 2T oil in chainsaws bar none! Lol
Common put up the pics of saws run on the same oil for a couple thousand hrs I might believe the hype then

 

[mrxlh]

A ton of stuff could be rehashed, Joe has a saw dyno, but testing costs money, oil, fuel, time, ect, ect. Why do all of it, then publish it here to be ridiculed in the court of public opinion? As far as 2 stroke technology goes, nothing much has changed since the 70’s really except oil. It would be interesting to see if modern oils hit the same 18:1 brick wall as far as performance was concerned. 2/3’s here probably still wouldn’t believe/accept the results. Some would jump up and down and scream “now just wait a cotton picking minute”. Sadly, they are the majority and are the ones who are embraced here, not the ones who actually wanted to document/share their findings to help other members.

 

[Mastermind]

Oh no worries, you must have missed Julian’s testing and outcomes then. They were all performance related as in actual cut times, I guess they were not valid either…

I didn't miss Julian's testing. He figured out that H1R was hurting performance to the tune of about 30%. Thick as molasses....

 

[Mastermind]

Sadly, they are the majority and are the ones who are embraced here

You seem not to like this forum.

 

[mrxlh]

No offence to Julian but he's never worn out a pro saw.

So now that we have established you have a testing bias very little of what you speak of should be held as relevant correct? The testing you believe is based on wear and performance, Julian’s was just that, you chose not to believe his because his saws didn’t have 2000 hours on them? Are all the tests you believe where an oil performs better based on viscosity held in old worn out engines or new engines? You know, because of “variables” and stuff…

 

[mrxlh]

I didn't miss Julian's testing. He figured out that H1R was hurting performance to the tune of about 30%. Thick as molasses....

Belray was worse, but I digress…

 

[Mastermind]

Belray was worse, but I digress…

Belray H1R is the oil I was talking about.

 

[mrxlh]

You seem not to like this forum.

Actually I like it quite well, what I don’t particularly care for is the truth being misrepresented, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Mastermind]

Actually I like it quite well, what I don’t particularly care for is the truth being misrepresented, nothing more, nothing less.

What truth exactly?

 

[mrxlh]

Belray H1R is the oil I was talking about.

Sorry, had Honda on the brain, yes Belray.

 

[Mastermind]

Well, you are the one that let BWalker back for the umptheenth time, don’t blame us common folk…

This is the exact point where your ass got all itchy and stuff.

 

[mrxlh]

What truth exactly?

Well let’s start with viscosity. You just dismissed one, yet Rogue60 seemingly posted as fact no? Rogue is arguing they perform better, you just said it didn’t. I know it didn’t, yet here we are…

 

[Mastermind]

Well let’s start with viscosity. You just dismissed one, yet Rogue60 seemingly posted as fact no? Rogue is arguing they perform better, you just said it didn’t. I know it didn’t, yet here we are…

There are so many variables that there are very few "facts". We could have a discussion about how these variables skew results. Or we could all just be diks.

 

[jakethesnake]

Threads become a page turner. Itchy asses and hatefulness over fugging oil. Who gives an actual fugg. Whatever you fellas like. Just use it.