What oil is best? and what ratio?

[mdavlee]

It makes plenty of power in my saw. There's no extra, or unburnt, oil oozing out of my muffler.

If there's no carbon on the piston crown it's not burning.

 

[Keith Gandy]

It makes plenty of power in my saw. There's no extra, or unburnt, oil oozing out of my muffler.

Its simple. If there is no carbon on top of the piston and the piston is wet its way too rich and not combusting completely to burn the oil off in the topend and theres no way to know if the bottomend is wet unless its taken apart. Nothing wrong with running rich and the piston being wet if u r satisfied with it though IMO

 

[Stihl working Hard]

you don't use it on your saw. It (porn) uses your saw and you watch! Usually you have a beer while you watch. (In your case a mountain dew.)

later on she takes her clothes off. But I can't post that here.

That would be right

 

[Ron660]

Its simple. If there is no carbon on top of the piston and the piston is wet its way too rich and not combusting completely to burn the oil off in the topend and theres no way to know if the bottomend is wet unless its taken apart. Nothing wrong with running rich and the piston being wet if u r satisfied with it though IMO

Mike has posted pics of the bottom end saturated with oil using R50 and 800. 800 being cleaner.

 

[Ron660]

Its simple. If there is no carbon on top of the piston and the piston is wet its way too rich and not combusting completely to burn the oil off in the topend and theres no way to know if the bottomend is wet unless its taken apart. Nothing wrong with running rich and the piston being wet if u r satisfied with it though IMO

I can't see the crown of my saw's pistons looking through the exhaust port. Only the outer edges and piston sides.....spotless. The pics I've seen Klotz looks as dirty as stihl ultra. Klotz should give excellent protection with their very high viscosities.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Mike has posted pics of the bottom end saturated with oil using R50 and 800. 800 being cleaner.

Doesnt mean its doing it in your saw . Load and tune will determime temperature and how much oil migrates to the bottomend in each saw. If the bottomend isnt hot enough for the oil to migrate from the fuel and stay put in the bottomend its doin no good. Theres alota other variables to consider than seeing a clean oily piston. Id rather see plenty of oil on the bottomend and complete combustion and alil carbon on top of the piston. Its signs that an oil is doing what its suppose to do but im about 100% sure that 800 is leaving plenty in the bottom. It wasnt as much in the bottomends on any saw ive torn down as klotz super left

 

[KenJax Tree]

Oil that is burning correctly will leave some carbon behind. If everything is spotless its too rich, not burning completely, and washing the piston.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Oil that is burning correctly will leave some carbon behind. If everything is spotless its too rich, not burning completely, and washing the piston.

Ya I believe the klotz super for firewood cuttin may build alil too much over time but man it lubricates good!! I ordered a gallon of original techniplate thats 100% synthetic with no castors.

 

[Ron660]

Doesnt mean its doing it in your saw . Load and tune will determime temperature and how much oil migrates to the bottomend in each saw. If the bottomend isnt hot enough for the oil to migrate from the fuel and stay put in the bottomend its doin no good. Theres alota other variables to consider than seeing a clean oily piston. Id rather see plenty of oil on the bottomend and complete combustion and alil carbon on top of the piston. Its signs that an oil is doing what its suppose to do but im about 100% sure that 800 is leaving plenty in the bottom. It wasnt as much in the bottomends on any saw ive torn down as klotz super left

I'll let you open mine up and look since Mike's pics doesn't convince you. I'll bet you $100 it'll be saturated. Is that a bet?

 

[Ron660]

Doesnt mean its doing it in your saw . Load and tune will determime temperature and how much oil migrates to the bottomend in each saw. If the bottomend isnt hot enough for the oil to migrate from the fuel and stay put in the bottomend its doin no good. Theres alota other variables to consider than seeing a clean oily piston. Id rather see plenty of oil on the bottomend and complete combustion and alil carbon on top of the piston. Its signs that an oil is doing what its suppose to do but im about 100% sure that 800 is leaving plenty in the bottom. It wasnt as much in the bottomends on any saw ive torn down as klotz super left

Our last conversation you say 800 was the cleanest you've ever used and the lower end was lubed excellent. That's your statement not mine.

 

[junkman]

Most oils will leave a wet crankcase if limbing or let idle for a bit ,you need high load to burn it off,even milling after a couple minute pass. I just let it idle for a bit and everything os soaked again.

 

[Keith Gandy]

I'll let you open mine up and look since Mike's pics doesn't convince you. I'll bet you $100 it'll be saturated. Is that a bet?

Ive already heard his opinion. He doesnt like 800 for cutting firewood, it doesnt combust like it should

 

[Keith Gandy]

I'll let you open mine up and look since Mike's pics doesn't convince you. I'll bet you $100 it'll be saturated. Is that a bet?

Ole buddy I dont have an agenda to prove to u that 800 isnt a good oil. I know it is and if u like it thats all that matters

 

[stihl saws]

I run maxima 927 in a 90hp banshee. Would I run it in any ope? No! It's all about proper application. If I were milling then I would definitely use a higher grade oil. For firewood or normal use any oil should work fine.

 

[Ron660]

Ive already heard his opinion. He doesnt like 800 for cutting firewood, it doesnt combust like it should

This is my point. When I shipped my ported 660 to Chad to test on his dyno it was full of fuel (110 Sunoco with Motul 800 off-road at 32:1). It produced over 8 HP. I'd say 800 is working. Would it have produced more power with an oil that has a better combustion? Only a dyno test would prove that. My next cutting adventure I'll tune it accordingly or leaner to see if I get a different piston crown appearance.

 

[Ron660]

I run maxima 927 in a 90hp banshee. Would I run it in any ope? No! It's all about proper application. If I were milling then I would definitely use a higher grade oil. For firewood or normal use any oil should work fine.

All the "chainsaw" oil viscosities I've seen range from 7-8 cst's. Klotz and 800 are 15+. That's a lot more protection but I'm sure other factors influence combustion in chainsaws. Best I remember stihl ultra had a high flash point also if that's a parameter that influences combustion....not sure. Yamaha 2R is the closest in viscosity to other chainsaw oils.

 

[Keith Gandy]

This is my point. When I shipped my ported 660 to Chad to test on his dyno it was full of fuel (110 Sunoco with Motul 800 off-road at 32:1). It produced over 8 HP. I'd say 800 is working. Would it have produced more power with an oil that has a better combustion? Only a dyno test would prove that. My next cutting adventure I'll tune it accordingly or leaner to see if I get a different piston crown appearance.

Probably not a noticeable difference but u r fine with what u r using. I wouldnt worry about it . All these oils do fine but I can say klotz puts the most lubrication in the bottomend Ive seen with all the oils. Im intetested to see what this DuMonde that Brian is sending me looks like and Im hoping Klotz Original Techniplate will be alil cleaner than the super. If the super didnt build much more than it already had in my 550 I would be fine with it. The super also had the least piston cylinder wear of any oil Ive used

 

[Chainganger]

OK, I have a ported O44, 28 inch bar, skip chain, can only get ethanol free 91 octane
Will try running that with Klotz super at 40:1
Mostly for firewood jobs, bigger ash and oak
Any objections?

Now I am stumped because I have a new 550 xp, not broken in and again can only get ethanol free 91 octane.
For limbing and smaller trees, will not be modified.

What do you recommend for oil and ratio? Same thing?

 

[CR500]

I personally think 40:1 with that oil should be sufficient.... I've not ran super tech but after running R50 at 32:1, I think 40:1 would be plentiful

This summer I plan on testing 32:1 vs 40:1 on a few of these oils

 

[jmssaws]

Klotz super at 40:1 is still to much oil for firewood cutting.

I run 50:1 now and it's about right,klotz lubes better so the problems people have with it being dirty Is from using way to much oil,32:1 is silly for cutting firewood,no way can it burn all of it.

Certain oils maybe more is better but this isn't one of those oils,50:1 is more than enough with klotz.