What oil is best? and what ratio?

[Keith Gandy]

If metal is rubbing metal hard enough I dont think there is an oil that will stop that damage

 

[bwalker]

I've shown pics of a 1988 jred 625 with a lot of time on it that was run on orange bottle for 15 years and boat oil for 10 more. Bearings and crown were charcoal black. Rings were worn out. It actually reminded me of the pics from guys running Lucas. Gave the cylinder and piston away in the Christmas thread last year.

I'm not promoting using any tcw3. But the stuff Scott uses just plain works. I've seen the 044 he talks about and it's beat to hell, but the piston and cylinder look good.

I know a logger thats uses wal mart supertech outboard oil and has for years. He gets decent or even long life out of some saws, yet others puke pretty early. Internals look like one would expect. Id also say as the yeara have gone by and saws have started to run hotter and use less oil his ratio of long runners to pukers has gone down hill.

 

[bwalker]

They do it pretty much in one tank on the intake side like the 372 xtorq

I suspect terrible port chamfers as being the cause. If I bought one I would tear down chamfer and reassemble before I ran it. Mostly because seeing that wear would drive me nuts.

 

[porsche965]

Ported chainsaws become extraordinary performers. Using a strong, quality Synthetic oil is a great place to start.

Volume of oil in the ratio makes up for a lessor oil of any kind. To a degree that is difficult to define.

 

[RI Chevy]

If one has a ported saw that was done up by a pro porter, I think it is important to run what the porter suggests, or at least check with him on the oil used.
If the porter is going to back the saw, then one should at least oblige.

 

[Keith Gandy]

This 028 Super was brought into the shop the otherday and the fellow said it needs alil tuneup. This is what I discoveredAfter showing him the damage from a stuck ring he said but it was running fine and just needed alil tuning. I ask him what oil do u use and he said Im not sure but I have a bottle in the back of the truck. I wasnt suprised in the least when he lifted up a Stihl silver bottle. Look in the ring lands and I had already scraped alot out after breaking the rings to get them free. Wonder how many saws r out there running that crap that folks say it works just fine and is on the brink of this situation?

 

[porsche965]

There is more problems with that 028 than just Stihl Ultra oil I would say.

Notice the dirt on the Piston side deposited there. Air filter problems?

 

[Keith Gandy]

There is more problems with that 028 than just Stihl Ultra oil I would say.

Notice the dirt on the Piston side deposited there. Air filter problems?

Dirty air filter didnt help but when this oil comes in contact with high temps this is exactly what it does. See it everyday. Good for business though

 

[mdavlee]

I suspect terrible port chamfers as being the cause. If I bought one I would tear down chamfer and reassemble before I ran it. Mostly because seeing that wear would drive me nuts.

It could be

 

[Keith Gandy]

It could be

I remeber putting a new piston in my 390 and after tearing it down for inspection and it was rubbing on the intake skirt. You told me u had seen them from the factory test runs that look like this and since then everyone I have torn down look the same except the 550xp and my 562xp Ive had . They were both spotless

 

[Farmchuck]

probably throw Yamalube 2R and Red Armor in there also.

Yeah Yeah what he said!!!!

 

[Keith Gandy]

Yeah Yeah what he said!!!!

Im not so sure about the new Red Armor. I hadnt used it and it may be fine but looks as if they were on the cheap

 

[Farmchuck]

Also, just sent the 661 to Randy.... Someone save me the time of reading 639 pages. Whats the top 2 or 3 oils and what ratios?

Klotz, Schaefer 700, Saber???

Wait Wait I made a mistake. Did is da post I meaner 2 reply 2!

 

[bwalker]

Im not so sure about the new Red Armor. I hadnt used it and it may be fine but looks as if they were on the cheap

The only thing different about the newer RA formulations is the ability to lighten your wallet.

 

[Farmchuck]

Im not so sure about the new Red Armor. I hadnt used it and it may be fine but looks as if they were on the cheap

So there is a NEW red armor & I take it no one has used it long enough to tell if it’s any good yet?

 

[bwalker]

Wait Wait I made a mistake. Did is da post I meaner 2 reply 2!

How about none of the above?

 

[Keith Gandy]

The only thing different about the newer RA formulations is the ability to lighten your wallet.

Yes ours but not theirs is what I meant

 

[Keith Gandy]

So there is a NEW red armor & I take it no one has used it long enough to tell if it’s any good yet?

No one has actually used the older formulations long enough to know if its a winner

 

[Farmchuck]

How about none of the above?

How about none of the above?

what den?

 

[Keith Gandy]

what den?

This ole oil thread been smokin the last few days! 646 pages and back to square 1!!!!