What oil is best? and what ratio?

[bwalker]

From the fuel

No, there is really no differance. For starters the fuel is what determines that not the oil.

 

[Thornton]

I just read oil threads and take in everyone's opinions. But I have wondered Do different oils act different in different regions or environments? Coastal or swampy humid areas,temps, altitudes or dry regions? How much moisture is being sucked in intake. I didn't know if synthetic oils act different than real oils when mixed with water/ moisture in humid environments. Does either break down more than other in these dry or humid conditions?

 

[bwalker]

Ben I know for a fact when I test for residual I use same saw, same fuel, same ratio and shut it down after several non stop long cuts in the middle of a cut and check each oil the same way. Its no doubt some oils leave more residual and migrate better than others when used under the same condition. Kl200 being the best Ive personally seen and it combust well , smells great, and the cost is pretty good

I believe you believe what your seeing is true. I don't think it is. For starters your not measuring residual,your using your subjective "eye" to judge residual. Oil color may give the appearance of increased oil over a purple or natural colored oil.
The other thing is, only in the world of saws do people tear engines down to look at residual oil. It is of no consequence for me.

 

[Keith Gandy]

No, there is really no differance. For starters the fuel is what determines that not the oil.

I still dont get it. Why would one oil leave more residual than another ran the same way , shutdown the same way, running the same fuel?

 

[bwalker]

and we are still waiting.

Haters are always going to hate no matter what, if you dont agree with them.

Didn't see this question.
I would be concerned because it has zero useful info. Judging by the MSDS you would think it is a straight ester oil with no additives.
Not sure that it is, but it does raise a flag.

 

[bwalker]

I still dont get it. Why would one oil leave more residual than another ran the same way , shutdown the same way, running the same fuel?

It doesnt!
The only thing that changes is your perception.

 

[Keith Gandy]

I believe you believe what your seeing is true. I don't think it is. For starters your not measuring residual,your using your subjective "eye" to judge residual. Oil color may give the appearance of increased oil over a purple or natural colored oil.
The other thing is, only in the world of saws do people tear engines down to look at residual oil. It is of no consequence for me.

Still doesnt explain it. Visual is good enough for me when one looks wet and others are barely visable or practically dry

 

[Keith Gandy]

It doesnt!
The only thing that changes is your perception.

Na. Not buying it. My eyes arent that bad Ben. I know the difference between ample lube and practically none

 

[bwalker]

Still doesnt explain it. Visual is good enough for me when one looks wet and others are barely visable or practically dry

Your measurement methods are subjective,period.

 

[bwalker]

Na. Not buying it. My eyes arent that bad Ben. I know the difference between ample lube and practically none

I have never seen a two cycle motor with practical no lube in the bottom end. I have been into more than a few motors too boot.

 

[Cut4fun]

Didn't see this question.
I would be concerned because it has zero useful info. Judging by the MSDS you would think it is a straight ester oil with no additives.
Not sure that it is, but it does raise a flag.

Just wow.

Grasping for straws.

 

[bwalker]

Just wow.

Grasping for straws.

What conclusion did you come to after reading the msds?

 

[Cut4fun]

What conclusion did you come to after reading the msds?

Well 10 years ago I came to the conclusion the MSDS sheets dont go inside my motors.

2R https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/docs/MSDS_Yamaha_Yamalube 2R.pdf

 

[porsche965]

Production is my real world perception.

 

[bwalker]

Well 10 years ago I came to the conclusion the MSDS sheets dont go inside my motors.

2R https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/docs/MSDS_Yamaha_Yamalube 2R.pdf

No argument there.

 

[Cut4fun]

KLOTZ MSDS

MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET KL-200
Klotz Special Formula Products, Inc. Telephone Number:
7424 Freedom Way 260-490-0489
Fort Wayne, IN 46818 260-490-0490 (fax)
Chemtrec – 1-800-424-9300
Chemical Name & Synonyms Chemical Family
Synthetic Lubricants 2 & 4 Cycle Lubricants
Trade Name Klotz Original Techniplate – KL-200(T), KL-199(T), KL-205
OSHA Hazard Classification: This product is not considered to be hazardous under 29 CFR 1910.1200
Boiling Point: N/A Specific Gravity: 1.002
Freezing Point: N/A % Volatile By Volume: <.1% @ 100 F
Melting Point: N/A Viscosity (cSt @ 100°C): 23.3
Vapor Pressure (mmHg): <1.0 @ 100 F Vapor Density (Air=1): N/A
Solubility in Water: Slightly Soluble Bulk Density: 8.364 lbs/gal
Evaporation Rate (Water=1): >1 Pour Point: -10 F uis
Decomposition Temp: N/A Appearance: KL-200(T), KL-205 Red Liquid
Odor: odorless to slightly musty KL-199(T) Clear, Natural Liquid
Weight per gallon: 8.364 lbs/gal
SECTION I - IDENTIFICATION
SECTION II - HAZARDOUS COMPONENTS
SECTION III - PHYSICAL DATA
SECTION IV - FIRE & EXPLOSION HAZARD INFORMATION
Auto ignition Temperature: No Data
Flammability in Air: Lower: N/A
Upper: N/A
Flash Point: 370-445 F ( 187 – 229 C )
Basic Fire Fighting Procedures: Use water spray, dry chemical, foam or carbon dioxide to extinguish fire. Water or foam may cause frothing, with further application leading to boil over. Use a water spray to cool fire-exposed containers, structures, and to protect personnel. Use water to flush spills away from sources of ignition. DO NOT flush down public sewers.
Unusual Fire & Explosion Hazards: Combustible at high temperatures. Irritating or toxic substances may be emitted upon thermal decomposition. Exposed firefighters should wear MSHA/NIOSH approved self-contained breathing apparatus, with full mask and full protective equipment.
1
Incompatibility: Avoid contact with strong oxidizers.
Stability: Stable under normal conditions of use.
Hazardous Reactions/Decomposition Products: Combustion may produce CO, CO2 and reactive hydrocarbons.
Spill or Release to the Environment: If your facility or operation has an “Oil or Hazardous Substance Contingency Plan”, activate its procedures. Take immediate steps to stop and contain the spill. Caution should be exercised regarding personnel safety and exposure to the spill material.
Emergency Action: Keep unnecessary people away. Stay upwind; keep out of low areas. Isolate hazard area and deny entry. (Also see Special Protection Section). Isolate for mile in all directions if tank or tank car is involved in fire.
Spill or Leak Procedure: Stop leak if you can do it without risk.
Large Spills: Dike far ahead of spill for later disposal.
Small Spills: Take up with sand or other non-combustible absorbent material or other substance known to be compatible, then flush are with water.
Notification: Any spill or release, or substantial threat of release, of the material to navigable water (virtually any surface water) sufficient to cause a visible sheen upon the water must be reported immediately to the National Response Center @ 1-800-424-8802, as required by US Federal Law. Failure to report may result in substantial civil and criminal penalties.
Waste Disposal: This substance, when discarded or disposed of, is not specifically listed as a hazardous waste in Federal Regulations; however, it could be hazardous if it is considered toxic, corrosive, ignitable or reactive according to Federal Definitions (40 CFR 261). Additionally, it could be designated as hazardous according to State Regulations.
This substance would also become a hazardous waste if it is mixed with or come4s in contact with hazardous waste. If such contact or mixing my have occurred, check 40 CFR 261 to determine whether it is a hazardous waste. If it is a hazardous waste, regulations at 40 CFR 262, 263 and 264 apply. The transportation, storage, treatment and disposal of this waste material must be conducted in compliance with all Federal, State and local regulations.
Additional Environmental Regulatory Information: There may be specific regulations at the local, regional or state level that pertain to this material.
SECTION V - REACTIVITY DATA
SECTION VI - SPILL, LEAK, & DISPOSAL PROCEDURES
SECTION VII - HEALTH HAZARD DATA
The Routes of Exposure and the Effects of Overexposure
Ingestion: PRACTICALLY NON-TOXIC. May cause gastrointestinal disturbances. Symptoms my include irritation, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea.
Skin: PRACTICALLY NON-TOXIC. Repeated or prolonged contact may result in defatting, oil, acne, redness, itching, inflammation, cracking and possible secondary infection. May cause allergic reactions in some individuals. Contact with heated materials may cause thermal burning.
2
Eyes: SLIGHTLY IRRITATING. Contact with the heated material may cause thermal burns.
Inhalation: May cause respiratory tract irritation. Exposure to high concentration of dense oil mists my lead to oil pneumonia.
Ingestion: DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING. If spontaneous vomiting occurs, monitor for breathing difficulty. Get immediate medical attention.
Skin Contact: Remove contaminated clothing immediately. Wash area of contact thoroughly with soap and water. Get medical attention if irritation persists. Thermal burns require immediate medical attention.
Inhalation: Remove affected person from source of exposure. Get medical attention if irritation persists.
Eye Protection: Wear safety glasses or chemical goggles to prevent eye contact. Have eye baths readily available where eye contact can occur. DO NOT wear contact lenses when working with this substance.
Handling/Storage: Avoid extremes of temperature in storage. Store in tightly closed containers; in cool, dry, isolated, well-ventilated area away from heat, sources of ignition, and incompatibles. DO NOT store in unlabeled containers. DO NOT eat, drink, or smoke in areas of use or storage.
Empty containers may contain flammable/combustible or explosive residue or vapors. DO NOT cut, grind, drill, weld or reuse containers, unless adequate precautions are taken against these hazards.
Skin Protection: Wear impervious gloves and protective clothing to prevent skin contact.
Respiratory Protection: Use NIOSH or MSHA approved equipment when airborne exposure limits are exceeded. Ventilation may be used to control or reduce airborne concentration.
SECTION VIII - FIRST AID PROCEDURES
SECTION IX - SPECIAL PROTECTION INFORMATION
SECTION X - DOT TRANSPORTATION
DOT Not Regulated
Not a Marine Pollutant
Revised: 4/9/08 3

 

[Keith Gandy]

Your measurement methods are subjective,period.

Thats your opinion and subjective also Ben. I think you take most here for *pretty boyes like u have already implied before in another thread. Its not hard to tell whether there is more lube in the bottom or not visually.

 

[Cut4fun]

Product Trade Name: Yamalube
2-R TWO-CYCLE ENGINE OIL
Revision Date: 06/02/2010
Page 1 of 4
Material Safety Data Sheet
Section 1 PRODUCT AND CO
MPANY IDENTIFICATION
Company Identification
Spectrum Lubricants Corporation
500 Industrial Park Drive
Selmer, TN 38375-3276
United States of America
Emergency Response
North America: CHEMTREC
(800) 424-9300 after 5:00pm CST
Or (703) 527-3887
Health Emergency
USA: (800) 264-6457 or (731) 645-4972
Product Information
MSDS Requests: (800)
264-6457 or (731) 645-4972
Technical Information:
(800) 264-6457 or (731)645-4972
General Information:
vswedley@spectrumcorporation.com
Product Family
Petroleum Lubricating Oil
CAS Number
Mixture
Item#
LUB-2STRK-R1-24 LUB-2STRK-R1-12
Note: Petroleum lubricating oils with a flashpoint above 200
o
F, are not regulated by D.O.T standards.
Section 2 COMPOSITION / IN
FORMATION ON
INGREDIENTS
COMPONENTS CAS Number Concentration
(%)
Regulatory
Agency
Exposure Limit
Performance Additive
Mixture
16
-20 OSHA/ACGIH 5mg/m3 Mist
Pour Depressant
Mixture
<0.5
OSHA/ACGIH
5mg/m3 Mist
Solvent 64742-47-8 10-15 OSHA/ACGIH 5mg/m3 Mist
Base Oil
64742-54-7
54-75
OSHA/ACGIH
5mg/m3 Mist
Blue Dye
1330-20-7
< 0.5
OSHA/ACGIH
100 ppm HrTWA
Product Trade Name: Yamalube
2-R TWO-CYCLE ENGINE OIL
Revision Date: 06/02/2010
Page 2 of 4
Note that the chemical identity of some or
all of the above com
ponents is considered
confidential business information and is being withheld as permitted by 29CFR
1910.1200 and various State Right-To-Know Laws.
HMIS/NFPA RATINGS:
Health: Flammability: Reactivity: Protective Equipment:
1 1 0 C,D,H
See Section 6, Chronic Effects, for potential over-exposure hazard.
CAUTION:
Hot oil can cause thermal burns on contact.
Used motor oil has been associated
with skin cancer in laboratory anim
als following extended contact.
Spills may create a slipping hazard.
Section 3 PHYSICAL DATA
Vapor Pressure (mmHg) at 20

C:
<1
Specific Gravity at 60

F:
0.88
Water Solubility:
Negligible
Boiling Point:
600+

F
Vapor Density (Air=1):
> 5
Evaporation Rate (BUAC=1):
< 1
Odor:
Mild Petroleum Odor
Appearance:
Blue/ Purple Color Liquid
Viscosity at 100

C CST:
8.5 (typical)
V.O.C. 160 g/L
Section 4 FIRE AND EXPLOSION HAZARDS
FLAMMABLE PROPERTIES:
Flash Point:
255

F
Extinguishing Media:
Use water fog, foam, dry chem
ical or carbon dioxide (CO
2
)
to extinguish flames.
Special Firefighting Procedures:
Cool exposed containers with water spray. Avoid breathing
fumes.
Unusual Fire and Explosion Hazards:
Pressure increase in over heated closed containers. Cool
containers with water spray.
PROTECTION OF FIRE FIGHTERS:
Fire Fighting Instructions:
For fires involving this material, do not enter any encl
osed or confined fire space without proper protective
equipment, including self contained breathing apparatus.
Product Trade Name: Yamalube
2-R TWO-CYCLE ENGINE OIL
Revision Date: 06/02/2010
Page 3 of 4
Section 5 REACTIVITY DATA
Stability:
Stable
Incompatibility:
Avoid strong oxidants
Polymerization:
Will not occur
Thermal Decomposition:
Partial burning produces fumes, smoke and carbon
monoxide.
Section 6 HEALTH
HAZARD DATA
IMMEDIATE HEALTH EFFECTS
Inhalation:
Inhalation of fumes may result in
dizziness, headache and respiratory
irritation.
Eye Contact:
Contact with eyes may cause minimal irritation.
Skin Contact:
Mild irritation may occur with
prolonged or repeated contact.
Ingestion:
Slightly toxic. Pulmonary as
piration hazard if vomiting occurs.
TLV:
5mg/m3 as mist. ACGIH 1984-85.
Chronic Effects:
This product may contain ingredient
s that are listed as potential
carcinogens in N.T.P. Annual Report on Carcinogens
, I.A.R.C.
Monographs
, or by O.S.H.A. HCS (g) (2) (vii).
Section 7 SPECIAL PROTEC
TION INFORMATION
Ventilation Procedure:
Ventilate as needed to co
mply with exposure limit.
Gloves Protection:
Use impervious gloves to avoid repeated/prolonged skin
contact.
Eye Protection:
Use goggles/face shield to
avoid eye contact.
Work/Hygienic Practices:
If clothing becomes contaminated, change to fresh clean
clothing. Do not wear until thoroughly laundered.
Section 8 SPILL OR LEAK PROCEDURES
Spill Procedures:
Remove ignition sources. Recover Liquid. Add absorbent to
spill area. Ventilate confined sp
aces. Advise authorities if
product enters sewers, etc.
Waste Disposal:
Assure conformity with applic
able disposal regulations.
Dispose of absorbed material at approved waste site.
Section 9 SPECIAL PRECAUTIONS:
Precautionary Measures:
Product Trade Name: Yamalube
2-R TWO-CYCLE ENGINE OIL
Revision Date: 06/02/2010
Page 4 of 4
Do not get in eyes, on skin, or on clothing.
Do not taste or swallow. Wash thoroughly
after handling.
General Handling Information:
Avoid contaminating soil or releasing this ma
terial into sewage and drainage systems and
bodies of water.
General Storage Information:
Keep container closed when not in use. Do
not store with strong oxidizing agents. Do
not store at elevated temperatures.
Container Warnings:
Empty containers retain product residue
(solid, liquid, and/or
vapor) and can be
dangerous. Do not pressurize, cut, weld, br
aze, solder, drill, grind, or expose such
containers to heat, flame, spar
ks, static electricity, or other
sources of ignition. They may
explode and cause injury or death. Empty
containers should be completely drained,
properly closed, and promptly returned to a
drum reconditioner or disposed of properly.
Section 10 FIRST AID MEASURES
Skin:
Wash skin with soap and warm water. Wash clothing before re-use.
Eye:
If splashed into eyes flush eyes w
ith clear water for five (5) minutes.
Inhalation:
If overcome by fumes remove from exposure immediately.
Ingestion:
If ingested, do not induce vomiting. Call a physician.
Section 11 Regulatory Information
California
Proposition 65:
This product contains the following
chemical(s) known to the state of
California to cause cancer and/or
birth defects: 0.608ppm Toluene,
CAS no. 108-88-3.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Well 10 years ago I came to the conclusion the MSDS sheets dont go inside my motors.

2R https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/docs/MSDS_Yamaha_Yamalube 2R.pdf

Looks like pretty nasty crap

 

[Cut4fun]

IMO I dont give a chit about a MSDS sheet. We are required by law to have them at work so we know what we are dealing with when spilled etc.

It's those tech sheets that have info I want and then REAL WORLD use.