What oil is best? and what ratio?

[Keith Gandy]

Are you sure about that?

No not really. Just repeating what Ben had said and about all I know its an antiwear additive. Im not sure if its considered a metal, trasitional metal? Seems if u add condensation to a metal it would form rust? It may do the opposite?

 

[concretegrazer]

No not really. Just repeating what Ben had said and about all I know its an antiwear additive. Im not sure if its considered a metal, trasitional metal? Seems if u add condensation to a metal it would form rust? It may do the opposite?

If the conditions are right to rust the zinc should rust first instead of the saws components. I don't believe that it will cause it just by its presence. At least that's what my simple mind thinks.

 

[Keith Gandy]

If the conditions are right to rust the zinc should rust first instead of the saws components. I don't believe that it will cause it just by its presence. At least that's what my simple mind thinks.

Im not sure but here is an interesting article that would pertain to oils full of zinc:
The effectiveness of Zinc in your oil is also affected by the quality of the base oil the manufacturer uses. Besides its protective qualities, Zinc is also an anti-oxidant. Manufacturers of lower-quality motor oil use Zinc to mask the deficiencies of their base oil which will begin oxidizing even under normal engine operation. That leaves the Zinc doing a job besides protecting your cam, which means that, just like the previous example, even though the oil may have a higher concentration it won’t protect your engine as well as a performance oil that actually has less Zinc but uses a higher quality base oil that’s not as susceptible to oxidation.

 

[jmssaws]

Which oil has lots of zinc? I'll steer clear of it.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Which oil has lots of zinc? I'll steer clear of it.

800t. Ben posted a table with a list of oils and amount of additives buried on 400 pages over on AS. Motul had the most additives in every additive. May be why it burns clean too is the additives

 

[jmssaws]

800t. Ben posted a table with a list of oils and amount of additives buried on 400 pages over on AS. Motul had the most additives in every additive. May be why it burns clean too is the additives

I'll keep not buying it then.
I bought a couple gallons of benol so that's what I'm going to run from now on.
It's the perfect oil for my saws.

My 064 was brand new 2 days ago and I got it so hot noodling that it burned the paint of my muffler and I used vht, thought I'd see some scoring when I took it apart today but the piston was clean as can be,just like new still. Couldn't believe it. A lesser oil would have had me buying parts.

 

[Keith Gandy]

I'll keep not buying it then.
I bought a couple gallons of benol so that's what I'm going to run from now on.
It's the perfect oil for my saws.

My 064 was brand new 2 days ago and I got it so hot noodling that it burned the paint of my muffler and I used vht, thought I'd see some scoring when I took it apart today but the piston was clean as can be,just like new still. Couldn't believe it. A lesser oil would have had me buying parts.

I believe it. Im like u and have been in a few saws the last few years and with Klotz Im seeing alot less wear and scuffing so much as to be kinda shocked! It works for me and exactly what Ive been lookin for an oil to do in the bottom. Ill settle for some carbon on top of the piston, heck that will add alil compression!!! Lol! I also think a layer of carbon acts as an insulator to resist the piston absorbing more heat and allowing it to pass on through the exhaust instead of the piston absorbing it? Just a thought

 

[jmssaws]

 

[Ron660]

800t. Ben posted a table with a list of oils and amount of additives buried on 400 pages over on AS. Motul had the most additives in every additive. May be why it burns clean too is the additives

I seriously doubt a higher concentration of zinc will cause rusting issues in a saw. I'll let you look inside my 660 one day. I've used 800 for 3 years.

 

[concretegrazer]

Im not sure but here is an interesting article that would pertain to oils full of zinc:
The effectiveness of Zinc in your oil is also affected by the quality of the base oil the manufacturer uses. Besides its protective qualities, Zinc is also an anti-oxidant. Manufacturers of lower-quality motor oil use Zinc to mask the deficiencies of their base oil which will begin oxidizing even under normal engine operation. That leaves the Zinc doing a job besides protecting your cam, which means that, just like the previous example, even though the oil may have a higher concentration it won’t protect your engine as well as a performance oil that actually has less Zinc but uses a higher quality base oil that’s not as susceptible to oxidation.

Your saw has a cam? I need pics of this...

 

[Keith Gandy]

Your saw has a cam? I need pics of this...

Lol! Its an article I copied for comparison?? U dont get it? Cam, crankshaft, bearings??

 

[concretegrazer]

Lol! Its an article I copied for comparison?? U dont get it? Cam, crankshaft, bearings??

So a 4 stroke oil is what I need?

 

[Keith Gandy]

I seriously doubt a higher concentration of zinc will cause rusting issues in a saw. I'll let you look inside my 660 one day. I've used 800 for 3 years.

Ben said it will if left stored too long. I doubt u do because it would be one noisy son of a gun. Ive changed quite a few bottomend bearings rusted to heck and back

 

[Keith Gandy]

So a 4 stroke oil is what I need?

Zinc properties are the same 2t or 4 stroke?

 

[concretegrazer]

Zinc properties are the same 2t or 4 stroke?

They would be different I would think.

 

[Ron660]

Zinc properties are the same 2t or 4 stroke?

Best I remember zinc is an additive that assists with film protection. I'll let you inspect my lower ends to determine if that's a valid statement. I'll bring all my saws so we can inspect.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Best I remember zinc is an additive that assists with film protection. I'll let you inspect my lower ends to determine if that's a valid statement. I'll bring all my saws for you it inspect.

It is and the same for 2t or 4 stroke. U can read articles for days on Zinc. Pros and cons

 

[Keith Gandy]

They would be different I would think.

Well the article I posted and Ben said it quite a few times that zinc will cause rust. The article I posted said it was oxidizing even under use. Heres another article copied for reference
In chemistry class, you'll probably learn about oxidizing, which is when oxygen molecules combine with other molecules to produce an oxide. The most common example of oxidizing is rusting: oxygen interacts with iron molecules to produce the new (and unwelcome) iron oxide molecules, better known as rust.

 

[Keith Gandy]

They would be different I would think.

Zinc combined with moisture and oxygen wouldnt know the difference between a crankshaft and a cam I wouldnt think?

 

[Keith Gandy]

Best I remember zinc is an additive that assists with film protection. I'll let you inspect my lower ends to determine if that's a valid statement. I'll bring all my saws so we can inspect.

I bet u cry when u see the 021 piston top that was ran on orange bottle Stihl oil for 20+ years!! Lol