Wanted:advice,input,help,opinion or prayer for my 272xp's

[Ronie]

Either that or a serious lack of consistancy in play. I've found that over the years. Never quite sure what you are going to get. With the low priced kits it's not a big deal. But at the prices Hyway is charging that shouldn't be happening.

They are priced too high, I picked up a few different kits when they were on sale for around $50.

 

[Spike60]

They are priced too high, I picked up a few different kits when they were on sale for around $50.

$50 isn't bad. At least not for the kit that you got; not so much for mine. LOL

Funny how we pass info from our own experiences and the way it can shape opinions. We order the same part, yours is great, mine is garbage. Guys can make a decision to buy one, but will they get one like yours, or one like mine? Until they open the box, nobody knows.

 

[Frankh]

This is the one I used.

This is the one I used.

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Mine was not the pop up either.

 

[Frankh]

They must have more than one 272 cylinder. I just put one on a 61 and with the base gasket the squish was .0195. I haven't checked the compression yet so I can't say what it will be.

Mine was not the pop up.

 

[Frankh]

And it pretty much sucked. LOL

Compression with a gasket was only 140psi, and this was their pop up kit to boot. Deleting the gasket for 1184 has the compression up to a useable 160 something. Have run it very little so I can't say anything about how it's wearing.

My impression about the Hyway kits is that while they look nice, they all tend to have bad compression/squish numbers out of the box. And we're hearing too many stories about the plating failing. In that context they are really overpriced. What I paid for that kit was what I pay for an OEM kit (at dealer cost.) But my buddy Walt has been on a pop up kick lately so I figured I'd try one. MISTAKE! But ya gotta experiment a little here and there and they don't all end so well. I won't be buying any more hyway kits. That piston in an OEM jug might have been interesting, but I didn't have a used jug to try it with. And I wasn't going to stick a chinese piston in a brand new OEM cylinder.

From my experience the $15 huztl kits may not look as good, but they seem to last longer. And at some of their prices how can you go wrong? Most of the so called "premium" aftermarket kits are to close in price to OEM to bother with.

Although I did not put the gauge on it, I was either very strong that day (highly unlikely anymore...lol) or the compression was not very high when I started it up.

 

[Frankh]

Btw, after watching the video, my first thought was, " that butt piece of maple would have made a great bowl"..lol.....I'm a cabinet maker and wood turner.

 

[Michael Rupley]

The first pictures looked like dirt ingestion. Break-in your saw at 32:1 and don't run so lean on the high speed. It isn't always the kit, sometimes the kit builder. Mike

 

[Frankh]

The first pictures looked like dirt ingestion. Break-in your saw at 32:1 and don't run so lean on the high speed. It isn't always the kit, sometimes the kit builder. Mike

I know. That's what I would like to figure out....man or machine.

 

[Michael Rupley]

If you want to figure it then eliminate all the possible problems YOU can. Clean your saw so you can eat off of it (your pictures show a dirty saw). Wash and inspect every piece of the assembly. Use high quality CLEAN oil to put it together. Check out the pieces you buy from all angles, and under a strong light. Remove any defects.
You have control of your part of the equation. Put this together like it is a precision instrument. Like I said about 32:1 for break-in and run it rich for awhile with a new air filter.

 

[Frankh]

If you want to figure it then eliminate all the possible problems YOU can. Clean your saw so you can eat off of it (your pictures show a dirty saw). Wash and inspect every piece of the assembly. Use high quality CLEAN oil to put it together. Check out the pieces you buy from all angles, and under a strong light. Remove any defects.
You have control of your part of the equation. Put this together like it is a precision instrument. Like I said about 32:1 for break-in and run it rich for awhile with a new air filter.

Your comments make sense. I do not do a thorough cleaning nor inspect the parts. I assume ( yes, I am aware of the adage associated with assumptions) they are up to snuff. I will adopt these practices. Thanks for the advice.

 

[Agent Smith]

I learned my lesson a few yrs ago with aftermarket top ends. I tried everything from the cheap $20 ebay kits up to the $120 meteor kits. All junk. Even had one kit show up with the plating bubbled up and falling off out of the box. So now when i put a saw together, bare minimum, i look for a good used oem cylinder if new isn't available or is too expensive. About the only thing aftermarket I'll run is a meteor piston with cabers but even with those i use oem circlips and oem wrist pin bearings.

 

[Basher]

How perfectly round are these cylinders now? I have seen several pistons lately with four corner scrapes/wear or scoring, seems the QC is slipping rather than improving.

 

[Frankh]

I just ordered an OEM set for one of my saws. The supplier is replacing the hyway for the other. It will be interesting to see the difference. I appreciate everyone's input. I truly enjoy how the internet allows us to come together and share our knowledge and experience.

 

[Spike60]

How perfectly round are these cylinders now? I have seen several pistons lately with four corner scrapes/wear or scoring, seems the QC is slipping rather than improving.

In addition to that, the number of suppliers/sources is increasing. What's required is a good supplier that takes the time to vet his sources and attemp to sort out the good from the bad. Takes the time to examine and test some of this stuff rather than just sell it, so they really have to be as interested in this stuff as we are to make that effort. .

Two of them are right here on this site, Duke Theiroff with Saw Salvage, and Dave Smith with CCC. Not easy and a constant battle, but it's good to have these guys doing that leg work for all of us.

 

[Basher]

In addition to that, the number of suppliers/sources is increasing. What's required is a good supplier that takes the time to vet his sources and attemp to sort out the good from the bad. Takes the time to examine and test some of this stuff rather than just sell it, so they really have to be as interested in this stuff as we are to make that effort. .

Two of them are right here on this site, Duke Theiroff with Saw Salvage, and Dave Smith with CCC. Not easy and a constant battle, but it's good to have these guys doing that leg work for all of us.

Those sellers and yourself are top tier people , not every seller/dealer is but ones like you and those mentioned set the bar height others need to ascend to.

 

[Lightning Performance]

I know. That's what I would like to figure out....man or machine.

Did you clean and scrub all the new parts before assembly?
It helps.

Let's see if the market wants AM jugs with, truly ready to run cylinder kits that have been gone over.
I wouldn't send Meteor any money ever again for a top end kit unless it was a last resort for that cylinder model. They have some of the worse chain saw cylinder ports I have ever seen. Doc sent me ones worse than I had. They do better with bikes imo.
Fitting all the bits and quality control needs to happen right at production or the point is lost on all the rest of these parts. No piston will fix missing plating or vice versa. I do believe that is the real issue here. Too many variables are not right.

One bad apple....
Cylinder
Bearing
Piston
Ring
Clip
Pin

Proper fit...Priceless

 

[Frankh]

Did you clean and scrub all the new parts before assembly?
It helps.

Let's see if the market wants AM jugs with, truly ready to run cylinder kits

Proper fit...Priceless

Did you clean and scrub all the new parts before assembly?
It helps.

Let's see if the market wants AM jugs with, truly ready to run cylinder kits that have been gone over.
I wouldn't send Meteor any money ever again for a top end kit unless it was a last resort for that cylinder model. They have some of the worse chain saw cylinder ports I have ever seen. Doc sent me ones worse than I had. They do better with bikes imo.
Fitting all the bits and quality control needs to happen right at production or the point is lost on all the rest of these parts. No piston will fix missing plating or vice versa. I do believe that is the real issue here. Too many variables are not right.

One bad apple....
Cylinder
Bearing
Piston
Ring
Clip
Pin

Proper fit...Priceless

No, I did not clean them. The importance of cleanliness and inspection has been pointed out to me, and I am being more diligent with them now. I was sent a replacement for the failed AM cylinder. The first thing I noticed was a rough edge as I drag my fingernail across one of the port openings.

 

[Lightning Performance]

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No, I did not clean them. The importance of cleanliness and inspection has been pointed out to me, and I am being more diligent with them now. I was sent a replacement for the failed AM cylinder. The first thing I noticed was a rough edge as I drag my fingernail across one of the port openings.

Now you know.

 

[Frankh]

The new am and oem cylinders arrived. I never bought an oem before. What a difference in quality!... and I don’t work with these parts all the time like some of you guys, but I can see the difference. How do you get into the port edges with some 320 grit paper for cleanup? I rubberbanded some to a small stick. Is there a better way? Especially the side ports. Here’s a picture of the AM.

 

[Frankh]

Talk about qc...the AM only came with one circ clip in a sealed bag. The oem piston goes up and down, by hand, as smooth as silk. While the AM feels like my bad knee on a cold day.lol I would have never dreamt there would be such a difference. You definitely get what you pay for in this case.