Tru-Fuel Question

[MarkEagleUSA]

It needs to be vented like full chizel said thats why none of the companies are doing it.

Think of the older plastic gas cans (I don't use new ones so not sure if this applies to them or not) if they get hot the can will build pressure and start to grow. Same thing could happen with these cans if they were placed in a bad spot and not vented.

There is things they could do to over come this like make the can thicker or add a tamper proof style of vented cap but that all cost more money and there not gonna do that.

I've personally never used canned fuels my saws see to much use for that.

Once again... none of the commercial canned fuels are sold in vented cans. They are all capped like every other fluid sold in stores. A safety seal or temper-evident cap won't change that.

 

[thompsoncustom]

agreed a tamper proof cap wouldn't change of it could vent or not and should be added but again that's just more cost.

I don't believe they wouldnt sell a canned fuel that didn't vent somewhat or at a certain pressure just for liable alone in the sue happy world we live in and you can sue for getting burned with hot BBQ sauce and win (just happened) a can of fuel popping under pressure even from miss use would be something all companies would avoid.

could be as simple as the threads on the can and cap vent or fail at a certain pressure.

 

[Bill G]

It needs to be vented like full chizel said thats why none of the companies are doing it.

Think of the older plastic gas cans (I don't use new ones so not sure if this applies to them or not) if they get hot the can will build pressure and start to grow. Same thing could happen with these cans if they were placed in a bad spot and not vented.

There is things they could do to over come this like make the can thicker or add a tamper proof style of vented cap but that all cost more money and there not gonna do that.

I've personally never used canned fuels my saws see to much use for that.

They can be vented and have a tamper seal.

 

[Duce]

Why not just mix your own fuel, e-free fuel and your oil of choice and you know what your getting.

 

[Philbert]

I've personally never used canned fuels my saws see to much use for that.

I don't believe they wouldnt sell a canned fuel that didn't vent somewhat or at a certain pressure just for liable alone in the sue happy world we live in

Go take a look at them in the stores.

Same packaging as paint thinner, etc.

Philbert

 

[Bill G]

Why not just mix your own fuel, e-free fuel and your oil of choice and you know what your getting.

I do. See post #1 for why I bought the cans.

 

[Duce]

I do. See post #1 for why I bought the cans.

So why worry about it?

 

[Bill G]

So why worry about it?

Because they did not have any type of security seal and I question what is inside..

 

[pbillyi69]

i happened to notice the vp gas station i got gas at yesterday had 5 gal cans of various racing fuel and one that was pre mix at 40:1 the gas was 96 octane i didnt see if it was efree but i am assuming it is, the cans were tamper proof.

 

[Bill G]

I am glad to see they were tamper proof.

 

[Nutball]

The cans aren’t vented when the caps are scewed tight.

As mentioned earlier, the representative stated that the reason for selling 110 ounce cans, instead of gallon, was that they needed room inside for vapor pressure.

Philbert

That's no excuse, they can make the cans bigger, like 140oz if they want extra room. Extra room isn't needed, except to reduce blowout caused by dropping or other impact that could cause hydroshock.

Sealing a container is a common practice so there is no excuse for them to not seal the caps.

A sealed cap

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Now the seal is broken.


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1.3 gallon plastic Aspen cans do have the seal ring on their caps.

It needs to be vented like full chizel said thats why none of the companies are doing it.

Think of the older plastic gas cans (I don't use new ones so not sure if this applies to them or not) if they get hot the can will build pressure and start to grow. Same thing could happen with these cans if they were placed in a bad spot and not vented.

There is things they could do to over come this like make the can thicker or add a tamper proof style of vented cap but that all cost more money and there not gonna do that.

I've personally never used canned fuels my saws see to much use for that.

I tend to fill my cans as full as possible, and they don't swell in the heat since there's so little room for vapor to build up.

Venting is hazardous because it could cause fire/explosion, spills, and breathing health hazard. Just look at how modern EPA gas cans try to capture and seal in vapor with the result of cans swelling or collapsing with temperature change.

 

[Philbert]

That's no excuse, they can make the cans bigger, like 140oz if they want extra room.

Not excusing them. Just reporting what he said.

He said that the current cans were a ‘standard’ / commodity size, easily available. Special sized cans would have cost more to have made.

As long as the volume is clearly, and accurately marked, anyone pull out the calculator on their smartphone and compare prices.

Philbert

 

[Bill G]

Not excusing them. Just reporting what he said.

He said that the current cans were a ‘standard’ / commodity size, easily available. Special sized cans would have cost more to have made.

As long as the volume is clearly, and accurately marked, anyone pull out the calculator on their smartphone and compare prices.

Philbert

I use my phone to make calls......

 

[thompsoncustom]

That's no excuse, they can make the cans bigger, like 140oz if they want extra room. Extra room isn't needed, except to reduce blowout caused by dropping or other impact that could cause hydroshock.

1.3 gallon plastic Aspen cans do have the seal ring on their caps.

I tend to fill my cans as full as possible, and they don't swell in the heat since there's so little room for vapor to build up.

Venting is hazardous because it could cause fire/explosion, spills, and breathing health hazard. Just look at how modern EPA gas cans try to capture and seal in vapor with the result of cans swelling or collapsing with temperature change.

I could see that and is why I said they could do it with a thick enough can, doesn't surprise me if the EPA has regs on this just like they do gas cans.

 

[Philbert]

Checked back with TruFuel, as I have not seen any tamper evident seals, yet, on their products.

Here is the response I got today:

‘Yes, we are working to add a tamper evident seal to all of our products by end of summer 2025!’

Philbert

 

[bwalker]

agreed a tamper proof cap wouldn't change of it could vent or not and should be added but again that's just more cost.

I don't believe they wouldnt sell a canned fuel that didn't vent somewhat or at a certain pressure just for liable alone in the sue happy world we live in and you can sue for getting burned with hot BBQ sauce and win (just happened) a can of fuel popping under pressure even from miss use would be something all companies would avoid.

could be as simple as the threads on the can and cap vent or fail at a certain pressure.

You can't have gas fumes venting inside a store.

 

[bwalker]

We used to have a store nearby, that sold a lot of overstock, and returns, from places like Lowe’s, The Home Depot, etc.

Sometimes, some really good buys on tools, OPE, etc.

But the chainsaw chains were always dirty, used, dull, etc., packed in the original boxes, and offered for sale at close to retail prices.

I pointed this out to a manager, once, and offered to buy some at $.50 a piece, figuring that I could clean them up and use them.

He declined.

But it also showed me how many people will buy something, use it, and return it. And how many stores will let them do it.



The cans aren’t vented when the caps are scewed tight.

As mentioned earlier, the representative stated that the reason for selling 110 ounce cans, instead of gallon, was that they needed room inside for vapor pressure.

Philbert

Gallons of canned fuel are sold by most companies. I've bought several.brands and it's always in the gallon size.

 

[bwalker]

All that tells you is if it is flammable not if it is 50:1. Sadly the country is speckled with unscrupulous folks.

FWIW I always have bought the united canned fuel sold.for four strokes.
Canned fuel.has. averybdiatinct smell so its easy to tell if someone substituted something else in place of it.

 

[Bill G]

Checked back with TruFuel, as I have not seen any tamper evident seals, yet, on their products.

Here is the response I got today:

‘Yes, we are working to add a tamper evident seal to all of our products by end of summer 2025!’

Philbert

It should be a simple thing to do but the egg heads making decisions like to complicate simple things.

 

[Bill G]

FWIW I always have bought the united canned fuel sold.for four strokes.
Canned fuel.has. averybdiatinct smell so its easy to tell if someone substituted something else in place of it.

I doubt too many Wally World clerks sniff returns but hell maybe in your area...