Tru-Fuel Question

[EFSM]

I believe there are only a couple of companies actually making premix in the US. None that I've seen had locked caps.

 

[Philbert]

A sealed cap can provide a couple of benefits:

- reduces the likelihood of lighter components evaporating in storage, if a cap is loose:

- reduces the risk of some a-hole ‘returning’ a can filled with something else.

Buying from a store or dealer that is more vigilant of their inventory, and cautious about returns would reduce these risks.

Preferences regarding different brands, or mixing one’s own fuel, are a separate issue, of course.

Philbert

 

[Bill G]

A sealed cap can provide a couple of benefits:

- reduces the likelihood of lighter components evaporating in storage, if a cap is loose:

- reduces the risk of some a-hole ‘returning’ a can filled with something else.

Buying from a store or dealer that is more vigilant of their inventory, and cautious about returns would reduce these risks.

Preferences regarding different brands, or mixing one’s own fuel, are a separate issue, of course.

Philbert

That is my concern. One should never underestimate the resolve of a low-life to screw someone over even for a few bucks.

 

[full chizel]

The cans can’t be sealed because they have to be vented

 

[Bill G]

The cans can’t be sealed because they have to be vented

Yes they can be sealed. Go grab a quart of Valvoline.

 

[Philbert]

One should never underestimate the resolve of a low-life to screw someone over even for a few bucks.

We used to have a store nearby, that sold a lot of overstock, and returns, from places like Lowe’s, The Home Depot, etc.

Sometimes, some really good buys on tools, OPE, etc.

But the chainsaw chains were always dirty, used, dull, etc., packed in the original boxes, and offered for sale at close to retail prices.

I pointed this out to a manager, once, and offered to buy some at $.50 a piece, figuring that I could clean them up and use them.

He declined.

But it also showed me how many people will buy something, use it, and return it. And how many stores will let them do it.

The cans can’t be sealed because they have to be vented

The cans aren’t vented when the caps are scewed tight.

As mentioned earlier, the representative stated that the reason for selling 110 ounce cans, instead of gallon, was that they needed room inside for vapor pressure.

Philbert

 

[Bill G]

We used to have a store nearby, that sold a lot of overstock, and returns, from places like Lowe’s, The Home Depot, etc.

Sometimes, some really good buys on tools, OPE, etc.

But the chainsaw chains were always dirty, used, dull, etc., packed in the original boxes, and offered for sale at close to retail prices.

I pointed this out to a manager, once, and offered to buy some at $.50 a piece, figuring that I could clean them up and use them.

He declined.

But it also showed me how many people will buy something, use it, and return it. And how many stores will let them do it.



The cans aren’t vented when the caps are scewed tight.

As mentioned earlier, the representative stated that the reason for selling 110 ounce cans, instead of gallon, was that they needed room inside for vapor pressure.

Philbert

30 years ago Wal-Mart had a few stores called "Bud's Bargain Bin". They sold all the crap returned to Wal-Mart. Now they just re-shelf it

 

[EFSM]

Maybe we ought to question the benefits of our return-happy society. It seems like being able to return almost any purchase takes away some of the incentive to make smart buying decisions beforehand and makes for a lazy and sloppy shopper. I think this mentality bleeds over into some things in life in which we can't take things back to the store if we're not satisified--relationships, etc.

 

[Philbert]

That’s a separate issue. If a store handles returns responsibility, everyone can benefit.

Sometimes you just get the wrong thing.

If a store accepts anything back, and restocks it without checking it, that’s a failure.

I know that some stores ‘eat’ / absorb some returns they can’t resell, in order to maintain a customer satisfaction image. Some dump the loss back on the manufacturer.

And some customers are ****.

But a simple cap seal would be a reasonable quality assurance control, compared to how many other products use them, dating back to the Tylenol poisonings in 1982.

Philbert

 

[full chizel]

Yes they can be sealed. Go grab a quart of Valvoline.

Oil isn’t combustible when it builds pressure from temperature change

 

[whitesnake]

I've ran a lot of VP with no problems. Right now I'm using Sonoco Optima. It's higher octane than needed but it's quality fuel and I can get it local.

A 5 gallon container of Sunoco or VP is the way to go if wanting to run canned fuel and can get it local.

 

[Bill G]

Maybe we ought to question the benefits of our return-happy society. It seems like being able to return almost any purchase takes away some of the incentive to make smart buying decisions beforehand and makes for a lazy and sloppy shopper. I think this mentality bleeds over into some things in life in which we can't take things back to the store if we're not satisified--relationships, etc.

I agree.
I would not past some to return used chit wipe.

 

[Bill G]

................But a simple cap seal would be a reasonable quality assurance control, compared to how many other products use them, dating back to the Tylenol poisonings in 1982.

Philbert

Yes indeed but a few folks do not have enough gray hair to remember that and what changes it caused......for the good I will add.

 

[Bill G]

Oil isn’t combustible when it builds pressure from temperature change

No one said it was.

 

[Bill G]

Sealing a container is a common practice so there is no excuse for them to not seal the caps.

A sealed cap




Now the seal is broken.

 

[full chizel]

Sealing a container is a common practice so there is no excuse for them to not seal the caps.

A sealed cap

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Now the seal is broken.


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Everyone knows that. Oil has nothing to do with cans of fuel needing to be vented so they can’t be sealed.

But i forgot….you’re right and i’m wrong Mr. Know it all been there and done that and if you did it i did it better. Anything you haven’t done or job you didn’t have?

 

[Bill G]

Everyone knows that. Oil has nothing to do with cans of fuel needing to be vented so they can’t be sealed.

But i forgot….you’re right and i’m wrong Mr. Know it all been there and done that and if you did it i did it better. Anything you haven’t done or job you didn’t have?

You seem disgruntled. I hope your blood pressure is OK.

A security/tamper seal can be used on a vented container.

Ask a truck driver

 

[MarkEagleUSA]

Everyone knows that. Oil has nothing to do with cans of fuel needing to be vented so they can’t be sealed.

None of the commercial canned fuels are in vented cans.

A tamper-evident cap could be used without any added cost to the consumer.

 

[Bill G]

None of the commercial canned fuels are in vented cans.

A tamper-evident cap could be used without any added cost to the consumer.

Of course a tamper seal could be used.
They are used across a plethora of industries but there is a person here that does not understand that.
Some just like to to be obstinate.

 

[thompsoncustom]

The cans can’t be sealed because they have to be vented

It needs to be vented like full chizel said thats why none of the companies are doing it.

Think of the older plastic gas cans (I don't use new ones so not sure if this applies to them or not) if they get hot the can will build pressure and start to grow. Same thing could happen with these cans if they were placed in a bad spot and not vented.

There is things they could do to over come this like make the can thicker or add a tamper proof style of vented cap but that all cost more money and there not gonna do that.

I've personally never used canned fuels my saws see to much use for that.