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Well, we have a weather change coming up. I think I'm gonna take a tach out today and then after it gets colder and either prove myself wrong or right. I'm not disagreeing with your point. I just can't believe the difference is 2-3 grand in the cut. That's like 30-50% power difference.
If you are on the bleeding edge of the tune, it will be that much... shoot... my ms362 (nonmtronic) was last run at 80°F, fired it up last week at 40°F and it would bog right out when full throttle was applied, when it was 80 out, it was tuned in the cut with a buried 20" bar. Thats how much the oxygen levels in the ambient air can be...
 

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Well, we have a weather change coming up. I think I'm gonna take a tach out today and then after it gets colder and either prove myself wrong or right. I'm not disagreeing with your point. I just can't believe the difference is 2-3 grand in the cut. That's like 30-50% power difference.
No need, you are wrong. Basic physics at play here.
 
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Same chit I see over at bobistheoilguy. Rude mfers.
Our brother @dall has a low tolerance for silly mfers......and Ben is sorta like that too. All I can say is that we can all do better some days. What I don't want to see happen is for people to become offended and leave our forum......or have to ban anyone that ain't a scammer or a crook.

In other words......just try to be patient with folks. We're all in this together.
 

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No need, you are wrong. Basic physics at play hear
So are we now like the Greeks? We can't even go experiment to learn? I remember the joke of how one day the Greek philosophers were arguing over how many teeth a horse had. One of them mentioned counting on the horse standing outside. They threw him out of the school.

???? Like I said, I'm not questioning your basic theory, only the extent that it varies. Remember that absolute zero is a whole lot different than 0*F. A 50* temp swing from 30-80* is actually not a huge percentage. Granted I'm not a thermodynamicist like you apparently are, even though I do teach it in school.
 

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So are we now like the Greeks? We can't even go experiment to learn? I remember the joke of how one day the Greek philosophers were arguing over how many teeth a horse had. One of them mentioned counting on the horse standing outside. They threw him out of the school.

???? Like I said, I'm not questioning your basic theory, only the extent that it varies. Remember that absolute zero is a whole lot different than 0*F. A 50* temp swing from 30-80* is actually not a huge percentage. Granted I'm not a thermodynamicist like you apparently are, even though I do teach it in school.
20 degrees is a significant swing and can easily be felt. That's just accounting for temperature.
 

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So are we now like the Greeks? We can't even go experiment to learn? I remember the joke of how one day the Greek philosophers were arguing over how many teeth a horse had. One of them mentioned counting on the horse standing outside. They threw him out of the school.

???? Like I said, I'm not questioning your basic theory, only the extent that it varies. Remember that absolute zero is a whole lot different than 0*F. A 50* temp swing from 30-80* is actually not a huge percentage. Granted I'm not a thermodynamicist like you apparently are, even though I do teach it in school.
In the first place it isn't theory. It's science and very basic at that.
Second you are free to do with your time what you please. That includes wasting it.
 

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Bikes and snowmobiles are sent with jet charts in 20 degree increments.
I know Polaris liked to jet stuff way fat back in the 90’s through early 2000’s. Most could be dropped 1-2 sizes and still be ridden in all temperatures without worrying about burn down in real cold. My 97 xcf started to run way better on factory jets at -10 to -20 degrees.
 

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My cousin used to jet and clutch his sled 5-6 times a day when running in the mountains depending where he was ect. As primitive as the early polaris battery efi was he was happy to only need to clutch the sled on his 650 rxl. And since this thread was started about the Stihl intellicarb polaris actually made a similar type of set up in the late 90’s. In 1997 or 98 they had the accs “ altitude compensating carb system” the carbs were set up with baseline jetting and it used a similar way of leaning the carbs out by changing float bowl pressure as the atmospheric pressure dropped with elevation.
 
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I used to rejet my sled in 10 degree increments. Made a difference when racing. For trail riding, a swing of 20 degrees on the same jets could be into meltdown territory, or running too fat.
 

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I used to rejet my sled in 10 degree increments. Made a difference when racing. For trail riding, a swing of 20 degrees on the same jets could be into meltdown territory, or running too fat.
Trail running I was too lazy to drop jets so just dropped 2 sizes on my xcf and ran it for 10,000 miles that way. Rebuilt clutches snd couple sets of spark plugs and slides is all I did to it. Then at 10,000 miles I tore everything down and rebuilt it with a pair of bored out 488 trail jugs. Bored out 40 if I remember right put it at 510 cc but may was a little less. Cleaned the exhaust ports up and the lower transfers, cut heads 30 thousandths and put a higher rev clutch spring in new weights. Went pretty good for a fan cooled and ran with most piston port 500 liquids on cooler days. Sold it and bought a 2006 fusion 700 and still have it though it’s been sitting for years because of lack of snow and lack of time with young kids. Now kids are old and I should just make time to get it ready to ride again. Don’t ever see myself getting a new one ever again because of cost and limited use.
 
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