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I don't know much about saws, or oil, or saws and oil, but that looks crazy to me. Is that normal?
If you’re talking about the carbon flaking off the piston I’ve never seen that. Most of my saws have carbon on the top but none that would likely ever come off.
 

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If you’re talking about the carbon flaking off the piston I’ve never seen that. Most of my saws have carbon on the top but none that would likely ever come off.
The piston and rings look pristine. The cylinder looks pristine. The carbon on top of the piston looks thick enough to increase compression, maybe even hit the squish band, and it is flaking on top of that. It looks odd to me.
 

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The piston and rings look pristine. The cylinder looks pristine. The carbon on top of the piston looks thick enough to increase compression, maybe even hit the squish band, and it is flaking on top of that. It looks odd to me.
The flaking in chunks is what’s odd to me. My saws are old and certainly have that much carbon but it’s hard. Not sure why his is coming loose. That part is over my heas
 

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Maybe it is from a really hot piston and really cool cylinder from running hard in the middle of winter? :nusenuse:
Since the rebuild, this saw wasn’t run too much until May of this year and then ran hard all summer long. As of lately, it’s been my backup to my 462 because it had some AV issues I knew about and needed to address but wasn’t ready yet, until it made me ready on its own last week. So it really hasn’t seen any real cold temps yet, but it was run on 95-100F degree days..
 

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The flaking in chunks is what’s odd to me. My saws are old and certainly have that much carbon but it’s hard. Not sure why his is coming loose. That part is over my heas
The weird part IMO is that there is no sign of any damage, either to the piston, cylinder, or combustion chamber. But when I pulled the piston, it was literally flaking off..
 

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The fact that there is carbon, it IS coming off, BUT it is NOT doing any damage to anything is one of the reasons why it is one of only 2 oils that I will ever run from on now !!!

You can NOT argue with those pictures, absolutely NO appreciable or visual wear on the piston/rings/cylinder ............. thats some good oil
 

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The fact that there is carbon, it IS coming off, BUT it is NOT doing any damage to anything is one of the reasons why it is one of only 2 oils that I will ever run from on now !!!

You can NOT argue with those pictures, absolutely NO appreciable or visual wear on the piston/rings/cylinder ............. thats some good oil
Great perspective! I think they call that “survivorship bias”.
 

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The fact that there is carbon, it IS coming off, BUT it is NOT doing any damage to anything is one of the reasons why it is one of only 2 oils that I will ever run from on now !!!

You can NOT argue with those pictures, absolutely NO appreciable or visual wear on the piston/rings/cylinder ............. thats some good oil
I’d say that carbon came way before switching to that oil? Maybe it’s cleaning it off? Is that a good thing? Could a chunk lodge heading out the exhaust ?
 

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I have no idea what oil is used previously. It even carboned the other side o fthe piston. At least stuffs are still in good condition.20221111_141124-1.jpg
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Schaeffer’s 7000 ran for (?) hrs in my MS 460 since the new piston was installed back in Feb/March this year. I mix 40:1 with 91 octane non-ethanol fuel. I use this saw almost daily as a hand-cutter logger in hardwood country, the upper midwest. Typical day is 1-1.5 gallons of fuel used.. Saw is not stock, squish was set to about .024” by using a Coors beer can as a gasket. Timing was advanced, and muffler is a hogged out dual port style. Saw is strong.

Although I don’t really care for the layer of carbon on the top of the piston, the cleanliness of the rest of the parts, and the light layer of oil speak for themselves.

I don't know much about saws, or oil, or saws and oil, but that looks crazy to me. Is that normal?

I see nothing wrong there after 100+ gallons of fuel through that saw. Most guys round here won't ever put that much fuel through a saw in a lifetime.

I'm just a hack so what do I know.
 

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I’d say that carbon came way before switching to that oil? Maybe it’s cleaning it off? Is that a good thing? Could a chunk lodge heading out the exhaust ?
I think you are seeing the piston wash from the incoming intake charge. Where the piston top is shiny, it didn’t flake there at all.

Also this saw has been on Schaeffer’s 7000 @ 40:1 since it got that piston in Feb/March. No switching oils and no changes in mixture.
 

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Since so many people run different oil and mixes with good results. Maybe people can list saws that have not survived using what oils and mixes used. Never had a saw fail due to oil mix, had a 262 which I used for over 20 years fail from an air leak. I should have caught that.
 

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No trouble when I switched fleet back to husqvarna low smoke. (Cheap stuff) not the xp synthetic. I’d use the xp. Don’t like stihl ultra either. Bout all I’ve got on my no list
 
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