HUSQVARNA Post your favorite 2series Husky.

[SawTroll]

Now how did i know that might be a comment made as iv seen other posts on the subject …Im a curious sole ST and don't mind having a try out to see what i think . By the way…I hope you are still on the mend ? Hear through the grape-vine you haven't been so good if that info is sort of current ?

What you heard is still correct, and "the mend" will take some time.

 

[SawTroll]

Gilardoni.. Iv not seen yet on 254 or 262 saws iv worked on…only on the 42 sp and 242 xp
I get the impression the KS feels higher compression due to its configuration…Firm pull required on my 262 or ..Ouch !

The KS has a smaller combustion chamber, which will cause higher compression up there, provided everything else is even (unlikely, but likely close enough).
Now, the static combustion chamber compression (that can be measured with reasonable accuracy) isn't all that important, as long as it is high enough for the engine in question. Too much of a good thing may be counterproductive.
The dynamic crank case compression is much more important for performance - but it can't really be measured, only calculated.

At least that's how I understand it!

 

[SawTroll]

They were thinking of it that far back ! wow. I can't make up my mind on the system yet as the feedback is so variable , some like some hate.

The AT tends to get the blame for issues related to the new kind of carbs that are involved and/or operator errors. I haven't seen or heard of a single case were the AT itself actually was the culprit.

 

[Simondo]

What you heard is still correct, and "the mend" will take some time.

Well I wish you as fast a recovery as posable

 

[Simondo]

The KS has a smaller combustion chamber, which will cause higher compression up there, provided everything else is even (unlikely, but likely close enough).
Now, the static combustion chamber compression (that can be measured with reasonable accuracy) isn't all that important, as long as it is high enough for the engine in question. The dynamic crank case compression is much more important for performance - but it can't really be measured, only calculated.

At least that's how I understand it!

There is such a mind blowing amount of information and posable outcomes with these engines …There has been many a lifetime spent collecting,experimenting and developing . I personally only scratch the surface of engine tuning , modification and knowledge !

 

[Simondo]

The AT tends to get the blame for issues related to the new kind of carbs and/or operator errors. I haven't seen or heard of a single case were the AT itself actually was the culprit.

I do try to keep a open mind on the AT debate …Im more concerned in the robustness in design and the problems that can come from reducing the cost of products to the market place. I believe that within reason…Quality costs money.

 

[SawTroll]

Maybe a real Husqvarna handle would work better?

...or at least one that was attached to a rope?

 

[VinceGU05]

...or at least one that was attached to a rope?

It had the same issues. Plus I wanted an elesto handle due to the high comp.

 

[SawTroll]

It had the same issues. Plus I wanted an elesto handle due to the high comp.

Many people like them, but I am not one of them. To me, it feels like they take some of the "snap" out of the pull - but my experience with them is limited.

 

[Simondo]

Ok then….a 2 into 1 deal.
This is a none de-comp cylinder ( all my 42 specials have had a G 241 and de-comp) with new Meteor piston/Caber ring and a gasket delete . Held vac constant and pressure constant as well so its all back together . I can't believe how big the squish is, almost 1 mm without the base gasket !! The cold compression is way lower than any saw i have at a lowly 125psi but…Man !! it is a little snorter ... still four stroking at 14500 and has way more torque than i expected. Will run it for a while and see what is what. I wonder as its a 1992 42 cylinder and as they don't have a de-comp according to my IPL , maybe the compression the cylinder has is inherently lower compared to the G 241 cylinders with de-comp.

 

[Tor R]

Ok then….a 2 into 1 deal.View attachment 12704View attachment 12705View attachment 12706
This is a none de-comp cylinder ( all my 42 specials have had a G 241 and de-comp) with new Meteor piston/Caber ring and a gasket delete . Held vac constant and pressure constant as well so its all back together . I can't believe how big the squish is, almost 1 mm without the base gasket !! The cold compression is way lower than any saw i have at a lowly 125psi but…Man !! it is a little snorter ... still four stroking at 14500 and has way more torque than i expected. Will run it for a while and see what is what. I wonder as its a 1992 42 cylinder and as they don't have a de-comp according to my IPL , maybe the compression the cylinder has is inherently lower compared to the G 241 cylinders with de-comp.

first, beautiful saw you are building up!
Squish on 1mm sound weird, my 42's are in bit and pieces else I should have checked squish on them, have 241 and 7 jug.
One suggestion, check distance from piston pin to piston crown on both meteor and oem piston. I'll check the two oem piston I have tomorrow for you.

 

[Simondo]

first, beautiful saw you are building up!
Squish on 1mm sound weird, my 42's are in bit and pieces else I should have checked squish on them, have 241 and 7 jug.
One suggestion, check distance from piston pin to piston crown on both meteor and oem piston. I'll check the two oem piston I have tomorrow for you.

My latest 2 into 1 saw project with some parts from a 42 that AJS saws (Andrew) sent me that had a bad top on it. I do like these Little 42 ..242 saws Tor, there is just something so nice about them. I can measure up the piston that came out of the saw but I'm not certain if its OEM . The Meteor piston is installed and cylinder sealed with 1184 so it isn't going to see the light for a while ..Visually they looked the same alongside each other before i swapped them , but there could be a small difference.
I smoothed out the step into the ports from the crank case a bit plus a little IN-OUT work, Gasket match and finally a muffler mod with a 16mm tube.
It runs lovely, even with the compression it has and jumps into life on 3-4 pulls from cold , so i guess it could stay as it is .

 

[Tor R]

Simon,
Both my pistons are made by KS, 90 and 97 model.
You would probleby seen the difference with your eyes since it's 1mm in difference.

 

[Simondo]

Simon,
Both my pistons are made by KS, 90 and 97 model.
You would probleby seen the difference with your eyes since it's 1mm in difference.

Have you come across these "Gilardoni 8" no de-comp cylinders ? Have a HDA 98 with it so not the early carb from the 1st saws.

 

[Tor R]

Have you come across these "Gilardoni 8" no de-comp cylinders ? Have a HDA 98 with it so not the early carb from the 1st saws.

no, the only one I've seen is the one you have, my two older ones has 7 jug.
Husky IPL's show same cylinder until 15th april 94 where the first decomp came (clueless what type jug it is), it's one with screws similuary 7-8 jugs. Later same year, dec month they changed to 241 jug.

I am a bit heathed handle person, was dissapointed when I saw that not all crankcases where drilled for the generator why I didnt buy one nice looking 246 lol

 

[Simondo]

no, the only one I've seen is the one you have, my two older ones has 7 jug.
Husky IPL's show same cylinder until 15th april 94 where the first decomp came (clueless what type jug it is), it's one with screws similuary 7-8 jugs. Later same year, dec month they changed to 241 jug.

I am a bit heathed handle person, was dissapointed when I saw that not all crankcases where drilled for the generator why I didnt buy one nice looking 246 lol

Iv searched and can find no reference to the Gil 8 …the 241 cylinders give 150 psi + with the bace gasket in and a good piston so this one is a unknown to me.
Will measure the piston that came out of this one and put the info up later.
I can understand the need for heated handles out there with you !!

 

[Tor R]

Simon,
Is this the first time you put an Meteor piston in 42?
Just thinking high now, they are advertising to fit 242......even they defently look like 42 piston

Gilardoni 7,
Piston pin to crown distance, 14,1mm (KS piston)
Jug, Distance base to squish band, 60,2mm ruffly.
242 jug, distance base to squish band, 60,0mm
Btw, according Husky IPL they used the same 42piston from day one until the end of the production.

They used Walbro HDA 34 carb up to serial 923 0720, HDA 84 up to serial 024 9999. That your 92 model have 98 carb is how it should be.

 

[Simondo]

Afternoon Tor
Not put a Meteor in a 42 but I put a Meteor piston in a 242xp and decided it wasn't as good as a Golf piston . The Meteor you get isn't fully windowed like the Golf and with the closed port 242 it didn't feel as good as my 242 xp with a OEM piston. Iv found fully windowed pistons in all the 42 specials iv worked on (right or wrong) . This one had a Gilardoni genuine piston (measurement pictures) in it and looks the same as the Meteor plus the dimention is near the same as your KS by the look. Iv just come in from doing some hedge work with it and its just such a strong runner ..I'm not really bothered it hasn't monster compression and its gained 5 psi so it will bed in more. Starts too well to be a issue.

 

[Tor R]

Simon,
I didnt check the squish 100% when I pulled those two 42 apart, the little check I did was like 0,014", but I can't remember if it was 241 or 7 jug I checked.
1mm squish gasket less sound extreme for me, it's almost as weird as we find on 254 86-87 jugs vs later jugs, but, I never study if there was different gasket on 42 as it was on 254.
I'll find the 241 jug and check up the distance from base to squish band.

 

[Simondo]

Simon,
I didnt check the squish 100% when I pulled those two 42 apart, the little check I did was like 0,014", but I can't remember if it was 241 or 7 jug I checked.
1mm squish gasket less sound extreme for me, it's almost as weird as we find on 254 86-87 jugs vs later jugs, but, I never study if there was different gasket on 42 as it was on 254.
I'll find the 241 jug and check up the distance from base to squish band.

Further to your measuring up .
I do have my own 42 special that was the first one i did as a experiment to see how they went. Now…Im thinking of doing a gasket delete on it soon as a further upgrade so il measure it up while doing that. Its a 1996 De-comp model so that should tell us if there is a basic set up difference between the Gil 8 and the Gil 241 cylinders.