MS400.1 c-m

[Squish9]

I saw a video comparing hexa, square, round (sharpened before use) and round out of the box. Cutting cookies, Hexa was fastest with square cut about a second behind and round sharpened before use was a second behind square. Round out of the box was about 4 seconds behind the round chain that was sharpened.

If you can find them I imagine that the files for the hexa chain is $$, kind of like the double-bevel files for square cutters.

I bought 2 loops of hexa and filed 1 round. No difference. Tried a 25 inch loop and it's 2% faster than new RS, so no difference.

The file is a really great invention for a lot of people because it allows more consistent sharpening but 1 Hexa file costs the same as 6 round files. I see the point of it but I'm not buying anymore of it.

 

[huskihl]

I bought 2 loops of hexa and filed 1 round. No difference. Tried a 25 inch loop and it's 2% faster than new RS, so no difference.

The file is a really great invention for a lot of people because it allows more consistent sharpening but 1 Hexa file costs the same as 6 round files. I see the point of it but I'm not buying anymore of it.

That is the advantage of hexa. You lay the file flat against the chain and line up the edge of the cutter with the mark and it will make a good cutter every time. They were designed to help people that had trouble round filing. But then when someone tries it against a standard round chain and it cuts twice as fast, they attribute that to the file and not the NK chain. Like mentioned earlier, if they used the same chain and the same attack angles, round is probably quicker because the gullet is smoother

 

[farminkarman]

That is the advantage of hexa. You lay the Pool file flat against the chain and line up the edge of the cutter with the mark and it will make a good cutter every time. They were designed to help people that had trouble round filing. But then when someone tries it against a standard round chain and it cuts twice as fast, they attribute that to the file and not the NK chain. Like mentioned earlier, if they used the same chain and the same attack angles, round is probably quicker because the gullet is smoother

I have had a few customers who were self-proclaimed experts at filing chains. After porting their saws and trying to do test cuts with their "sharp" chains, I think your assessment of hexa's advantage is spot-on. I personally am not an expert at filing chains because I pretty much grind everything...if I didn't have the luxury of grinding my chains, I would at least use a good file guide.

 

[huskihl]

I have had a few customers who were self-proclaimed experts at filing chains. After porting their saws and trying to do test cuts with their "sharp" chains, I think your assessment of hexa's advantage is spot-on. I personally am not an expert at filing chains because I pretty much grind everything...if I didn't have the luxury of grinding my chains, I would at least use a good file guide.

I have found that chain consistency is the key to consistent back to back cuts and longevity. I can file OK and I’m not too proud to use a guide. But I’ve gotten proficient with the super jolly now and I only file in the field when I have to. I have found in the end that it works better for me to swap out the chain and grind it when I get home.

 

[farminkarman]

I have found that chain consistency is the key to consistent back to back cuts and longevity. I can file OK and I’m not too proud to use a guide. But I’ve gotten proficient with the super jolly now and I only file in the field when I have to. I have found in the end that it works better for me to swap out the chain and grind it when I get home.

Same here

 

[Colonel 428]

Same here

Same here

 

[Woodpecker]

I have found that chain consistency is the key to consistent back to back cuts and longevity. I can file OK and I’m not too proud to use a guide. But I’ve gotten proficient with the super jolly now and I only file in the field when I have to. I have found in the end that it works better for me to swap out the chain and grind it when I get home.

Yep this is the most efficient approach that I have found. My clients don’t want to pay my hourly rate to watch me stand around and file chain while working on their projects.

Folks when you consider who hexa is intended for (homeowners and firewooders), and you take into consideration the cost of some sort of file guide and the lack of a need for one, the price of the files doesn’t seem as bad. It doesn’t make it any less gimmicky from a pro standpoint though.

 

[bradb123]

This is what a 84dl hexa chain goes for in Central Wisconsin.

 

[Squareground3691]

This is what a 84dl hexa chain goes for in Central Wisconsin.

Nuts ,

 

[Squareground3691]

This is what a 84dl hexa chain goes for in Central Wisconsin.

700.00 for 100’ ,Lol

 

[alfack]

I've used the hexa for a few seasons. I don't like the filing system, either. It does seem to hold an edge for a longer time than my round chains, tho.

 

[Catfishclark89]

I would like to experiment with some in the woods for a few days in the same timber and swapping chains.. from a durability standpoint. Even if it’s the same speed as round. If it’ll save a sharpening per day then guess which is actually faster… plus if the overall chain life will put more logs on a truck which one is actually cheaper…

 

[Canadian farm boy]

I have yet to handle a loop of hexa chain. I’ve seen lots of pics of cutters.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong but from what it sounds like the hexa chain is a NK 3/8?

 

[huskihl]

I have yet to handle a loop of hexa chain. I’ve seen lots of pics of cutters.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong but from what it sounds like the hexa chain is a NK 3/8?

Slightly narrower kerf. It’s not really noticeable to the naked eye but it is with calipers

 

[Canadian farm boy]

Slightly narrower kerf. It’s not really noticeable to the naked eye but it is with calipers

Have you tried any of it with a good square grind? Just wondering if it would be worth the effort or not.
I’ve done the new 23rsp in a square grind and it worked really well.

 

[jacob j.]

Have you tried any of it with a good square grind? Just wondering if it would be worth the effort or not.
I’ve done the new 23rsp in a square grind and it worked really well.

I square-grind the old Oregon 77 chain which a lower chisel profile 3/8ths chain designed for thinning crews.

It rips with a square profile and stays sharp for quite a while. It was discontinued in the early 80's. It was expensive
to make and not very profitable but a great chain.

 

[huskihl]

Have you tried any of it with a good square grind? Just wondering if it would be worth the effort or not.
I’ve done the new 23rsp in a square grind and it worked really well.

I haven’t tried squaring it but I would think so

 

[MG porting]

It’s almost 1.5 lbs lighter than a 440. The weight is more like running an 036. Power is similar to a 440 though

Until you put a 32" bar and chain on it. Lol

 

[FederalQ]

Although it isn‘t specifically referenced I do believe the new MS400.1 is being used around the 5:10 minute mark.

 

[bogieboy]

It’s almost 1.5 lbs lighter than a 440. The weight is more like running an 036. Power is similar to a 440 though

Are you talking for the 400.0 or .1? Just curious as i have run a 400.0 several times and was not impressed at all... yeah it piss revs, but in the cut felt like just a hair more power than my ms362... i wouldnt put it anywhere near 044 territory, but my 044 has the lower transfers opened up a hair, no port time changes though, just smoothed transition on the lowers and widened the intake and exhaust a hair... you say 044 and i think tractor like tq that pulls an 8 pin with minimal bog... the 400 i ran was as peaky orslightly worse than my 362... drop it 50rpm out of the power band and it fell on its face.... heres a vid of my 2 saws, you can see theres a vast difference between them...LOL