John Reilly

[Mastermind]

*f-word!! I didn't know this was a two thread lynching .
I was waiting to post in the Moderator Batcave about this till I had talked to John.

I ain't posting again, just follow the link and let's lock one or the other thread so we can all tell what's up and where.
Can you combine them Oh master Poobah


https://opeforum.com/threads/john-reilly-welcome-to-ope.14150/page-7#post-1202581

This thread is would have been the more appropriate one to post in.....but I'm sure folks will figure it out.

 

[Definitive Dave]

As you like good sir

I talked to John yesterday.
He is apologetic and says he will refund fully as soon as he is able.
His side of the situation is different, I will recount it here.

His story is that he sold the saw which was a fully ported hybrid 440/460.
After the deal was finalized but before the saw shipped, he was asked to replace ported jug with a stock jug.
He tore it down and installed the only MS460 cylinder he had, which was a new Meteor kit.
This is how the saw shipped to new owner (assuming Kw trees).
After some time and use by the owner, he was told the saw had died during use and he agreed to repair it for free.
He tore the saw down and thought the jug would clean up easily and would be good to go with a new piston.
He saw it had been lean seized but couldn't tell if it might be an air leak, bad tune, bad fuel, etc.
The owner told him that only an OEM cylinder would be acceptable at this point.
John called around to all his contacts to find an 046 or MS460 OEM used cylinder - I can verify he called me about it at least twice but I didn't know anything about the situation at the time. He struck out continually until a guy offered up the one that is in rough shape, but operational in the pics earlier in this thread. He bought shipped it in and cleaned it up as best he could, installed a piston to ship back to customer. The customer asked him to ship it to a friend (assuming Fruecrue).
John did as he was asked.
After some amount of time passes, he hears back that the friend has removed the cylinder to check out the saw and that the saw is junk, *s-wordty cylinder, aftermarket crankshaft.
The owner says he is shipping the saw back again and wants a refund of the full purchase price.
When the saw arrives back in Florida, he looks it over , he splits the cases to send the owner a pic of the Stihl logo and part number on the OEM crank inside.
At this point John has torn the clean minty hybrid saw down three times, provided 2 extra cylinders and an extra shipping trip and has long since spent the original purchase funds.
John told him he would refund the money as soon as he sold the saw again.
He wishes he had backed out of the deal as soon as the owner wanted the original cylinder swap and sold to someone who actually wanted a ported saw.
He plans to refund the purchase as soon as he is able.
He want's people to know he is not JMS or Chainsaw Jim.
That is what he told me.

In my dealings, I would have made it right or offered a refund at the first problem.
I'm not sure how much time passed between the customer getting the saw and the lean seize, anything over thirty days would make me question the situation if I was the seller.

I have no dog in the fight and have dealt with John and Dave multiple times in the past and have been to GTGS with both.

Dave

 

[Mastermind]

As you like good sir

I talked to John yesterday.
He is apologetic and says he will refund fully as soon as he is able.
His side of the situation is different, I will recount it here.

His story is that he sold the saw which was a fully ported hybrid 440/460.
After the deal was finalized but before the saw shipped, he was asked to replace ported jug with a stock jug.
He tore it down and installed the only MS460 cylinder he had, which was a new Meteor kit.
This is how the saw shipped to new owner (assuming Kw trees).
After some time and use by the owner, he was told the saw had died during use and he agreed to repair it for free.
He tore the saw down and thought the jug would clean up easily and would be good to go with a new piston.
He saw it had been lean seized but couldn't tell if it might be an air leak, bad tune, bad fuel, etc.
The owner told him that only an OEM cylinder would be acceptable at this point.
John called around to all his contacts to find an 046 or MS460 OEM used cylinder - I can verify he called me about it at least twice but I didn't know anything about the situation at the time. He struck out continually until a guy offered up the one that is in rough shape, but operational in the pics earlier in this thread. He bought shipped it in and cleaned it up as best he could, installed a piston to ship back to customer. The customer asked him to ship it to a friend (assuming Fruecrue).
John did as he was asked.
After some amount of time passes, he hears back that the friend has removed the cylinder to check out the saw and that the saw is junk, *s-wordty cylinder, aftermarket crankshaft.
The owner says he is shipping the saw back again and wants a refund of the full purchase price.
When the saw arrives back in Florida, he looks it over , he splits the cases to send the owner a pic of the Stihl logo and part number on the OEM crank inside.
At this point John has torn the clean minty hybrid saw down three times, provided 2 extra cylinders and an extra shipping trip and has long since spent the original purchase funds.
John told him he would refund the money as soon as he sold the saw again.
He wishes he had backed out of the deal as soon as the owner wanted the original cylinder swap and sold to someone who actually wanted a ported saw.
He plans to refund the purchase as soon as he is able.
He want's people to know he is not JMS or Chainsaw Jim.
That is what he told me.

In my dealings, I would have made it right or offered a refund at the first problem.
I'm not sure how much time passed between the customer getting the saw and the lean seize, anything over thirty days would make me question the situation if I was the seller.

I have no dog in the fight and have dealt with John and Dave multiple times in the past and have been to GTGS with both.

Dave

Thank you sir.

 

[lehman live edge slab]

Pretty good description Jeffus. But it's not something that is hard to do properly. Now, making it truly worth the effort is an art. There are a few guys here that are masters at this task.....and I'm not one of them.

I hacked together my own hybrid, the fitting of the
Cylinder isn’t bad at all especially with cfb’s guidance to install it. But mine is basically a hybrid with cleaned up ports that i did not a true ported saw. It has more power than a stock 044 but will not touch an actual built hybrid by someone else. But I’m not done yet and will continue with the work in progress as I get more and better tools.

 

[USMC615]

Wild Thang hybrids is da new craze...

 

[RI Chevy]

I have a CFB Hybrid now! Absolutely awesome saws. Mike's attention to detail really sets him apart. Silver Eagle Saw Shop!

 

[cus_deluxe]

As you like good sir

I talked to John yesterday.
He is apologetic and says he will refund fully as soon as he is able.
His side of the situation is different, I will recount it here.

His story is that he sold the saw which was a fully ported hybrid 440/460.
After the deal was finalized but before the saw shipped, he was asked to replace ported jug with a stock jug.
He tore it down and installed the only MS460 cylinder he had, which was a new Meteor kit.
This is how the saw shipped to new owner (assuming Kw trees).
After some time and use by the owner, he was told the saw had died during use and he agreed to repair it for free.
He tore the saw down and thought the jug would clean up easily and would be good to go with a new piston.
He saw it had been lean seized but couldn't tell if it might be an air leak, bad tune, bad fuel, etc.
The owner told him that only an OEM cylinder would be acceptable at this point.
John called around to all his contacts to find an 046 or MS460 OEM used cylinder - I can verify he called me about it at least twice but I didn't know anything about the situation at the time. He struck out continually until a guy offered up the one that is in rough shape, but operational in the pics earlier in this thread. He bought shipped it in and cleaned it up as best he could, installed a piston to ship back to customer. The customer asked him to ship it to a friend (assuming Fruecrue).
John did as he was asked.
After some amount of time passes, he hears back that the friend has removed the cylinder to check out the saw and that the saw is junk, *s-wordty cylinder, aftermarket crankshaft.
The owner says he is shipping the saw back again and wants a refund of the full purchase price.
When the saw arrives back in Florida, he looks it over , he splits the cases to send the owner a pic of the Stihl logo and part number on the OEM crank inside.
At this point John has torn the clean minty hybrid saw down three times, provided 2 extra cylinders and an extra shipping trip and has long since spent the original purchase funds.
John told him he would refund the money as soon as he sold the saw again.
He wishes he had backed out of the deal as soon as the owner wanted the original cylinder swap and sold to someone who actually wanted a ported saw.
He plans to refund the purchase as soon as he is able.
He want's people to know he is not JMS or Chainsaw Jim.
That is what he told me.

In my dealings, I would have made it right or offered a refund at the first problem.
I'm not sure how much time passed between the customer getting the saw and the lean seize, anything over thirty days would make me question the situation if I was the seller.

I have no dog in the fight and have dealt with John and Dave multiple times in the past and have been to GTGS with both.

Dave

great poast dave, even if youre from ohio.

 

[Wonkydonkey]

Well it’s good to have a moderateor, to mod it out. I know that every cocktail is a mix of things.
Sad that it came to this but I hope everyone learns from it. And read between the lines. Hopefully this will be the end and not anything else .

 

[stihl_head1982]

*f-word!! I didn't know this was a two thread lynching .
I was waiting to post in the Moderator Batcave about this till I had talked to John.

I ain't posting again, just follow the link and let's lock one or the other thread so we can all tell what's up and where.
Can you combine them Oh master Poobah


https://opeforum.com/threads/john-reilly-welcome-to-ope.14150/page-7#post-1202581

Yassir, this is the south. It takes more than threads for a lynching. Usually some amped up rednecks, some torches, a good strong rope and a tall sturdy tree. But I feel sure it's gonna get all settled as soon as the main-dude gets it all ironed out. Then people will go back to sawing and regular life

 

[angelo c]

Sorry and maybe its just me... but

Someone telling me that he will get me my money for a pile of xhit that was NOT delivered as sold, as soon as he can sell that same pile of Xhit to another less educated customer is NOT my personal method of "Customer Care" . The fact that he called out Dave (Fruecrue) as an un-educated tech guy isn't sitting well with me either.

Apology not accepted. Still in the JMS /Chainsaw Jim camp . Rope still in search of tree for me

 

[RI Chevy]

I agree. 100% here. Dave Fruehauf has a tremendous amount of personal integrity and mechanical knowledge. He knows his way around a saw. Whatever issues he stated were wrong with the saw you could take to the bank!

 

[wcorey]

Not that it's really by business but reputations are at stake here and it has gotten dragged into the public domain.
I'm having difficulty following along here...
Among other things...
How does the ported meteor cylinder pictured in post #3 fit in to all of this?
At the time of the sale were both parties aware that the saw consists of a substantial percentage of china clone parts?

 

[David Young]

Goal is to get the man a saw or money. I think the point was made.
Jr says he will pay.
If not paid in three weeks we will open back up.

 

[Definitive Dave]

Update/Correction - John called me this morning.
1.) He told me the saw he sold was all OEM and that it was a parts saw he had bought from ME. I am trying to verify this with my records, and will act accordingly.
2.) He says the buildoff saw that I thought from the videos was the same saw that was sold is a totally different saw altogether, built after the GTG. I removed my comment and pasted vids from this thread. - My mistake totally.
3.) He would like to log in and read and respond, I will send him the thread links and ask Moobsie to help me with his login.
4.) He again reassured me he was going to refund the original $1000.00 as soon as he is able.
Carry on Fellows
Dave

It occurs to me that I may have unconscious bias in this matter.
I do not know Kw trees but as also former military and respect him due to his service.
I like and respect Fruecrue and John.
I am pretty sure both have gotten parts from me.
I have gotten parts from both of them and both have CCC Tshirts.
I am currently in the beginning stages of building an 084 Nitrous Oxide saw with John to play with at GTG, to this point I have sent him money to buy nitrous fittings, valves n stuff and he sent me the NOS receipt a couple days later.

 

[Woodpecker]

Update/Correction - John called me this morning.
1.) He told me the saw he sold was all OEM and that it was a parts saw he had bought from ME. I am trying to verify this with my records, and will act accordingly.
2.) He says the buildoff saw that I thought from the videos was the same saw that was sold is a totally different saw altogether, built after the GTG. I removed my comment and pasted vids from this thread. - My mistake totally.
3.) He would like to log in and read and respond, I will send him the thread links and ask Moobsie to help me with his login.
4.) He again reassured me he was going to refund the original $1000.00 as soon as he is able.
Carry on Fellows
Dave

It occurs to me that I may have unconscious bias in this matter.
I do not know Kw trees but as also former military and respect him due to his service.
I like and respect Fruecrue and John.
I am pretty sure both have gotten parts from me.
I have gotten parts from both of them and both have CCC Tshirts.
I am currently in the beginning stages of building an 084 Nitrous Oxide saw with John to play with at GTG, to this point I have sent him money to buy nitrous fittings, valves n stuff and he sent me the NOS receipt a couple days later.

Dave great transparency! This is a tough situation to have to deal with. On the one hand we need to be responsive enough to ensure that another JMS or Chainsaw Jim situation never happens again, but on the other we need to make sure that we don't murder a good man's reputation. Its a very thin line for the mod team to have to walk and I hope fellas will bear with us as we work through it. I'm looking forward to having John engage in the conversation.

 

[Mastermind]

I've reset Mr. Reilly's password, and sent him everything he needs to know to log in and post his side of this.....twice in fact. Still nothing.

 

[Mastermind]

I'm gonna open this thread back up at 6 pm central.

Just seeing if anyone has anything new to add.

 

[Mastermind]

Anyone have anything to say about this?

 

[Kw trees]

Still nothing from John about when a refund is gonna happen or at lest a sorry

 

[Fruecrue]

As you like good sir

I talked to John yesterday.
He is apologetic and says he will refund fully as soon as he is able.
His side of the situation is different, I will recount it here.

His story is that he sold the saw which was a fully ported hybrid 440/460.
After the deal was finalized but before the saw shipped, he was asked to replace ported jug with a stock jug.
He tore it down and installed the only MS460 cylinder he had, which was a new Meteor kit.
This is how the saw shipped to new owner (assuming Kw trees).
After some time and use by the owner, he was told the saw had died during use and he agreed to repair it for free.
He tore the saw down and thought the jug would clean up easily and would be good to go with a new piston.
He saw it had been lean seized but couldn't tell if it might be an air leak, bad tune, bad fuel, etc.
The owner told him that only an OEM cylinder would be acceptable at this point.
John called around to all his contacts to find an 046 or MS460 OEM used cylinder - I can verify he called me about it at least twice but I didn't know anything about the situation at the time. He struck out continually until a guy offered up the one that is in rough shape, but operational in the pics earlier in this thread. He bought shipped it in and cleaned it up as best he could, installed a piston to ship back to customer. The customer asked him to ship it to a friend (assuming Fruecrue).
John did as he was asked.
After some amount of time passes, he hears back that the friend has removed the cylinder to check out the saw and that the saw is junk, *s-wordty cylinder, aftermarket crankshaft.
The owner says he is shipping the saw back again and wants a refund of the full purchase price.
When the saw arrives back in Florida, he looks it over , he splits the cases to send the owner a pic of the Stihl logo and part number on the OEM crank inside.
At this point John has torn the clean minty hybrid saw down three times, provided 2 extra cylinders and an extra shipping trip and has long since spent the original purchase funds.
John told him he would refund the money as soon as he sold the saw again.
He wishes he had backed out of the deal as soon as the owner wanted the original cylinder swap and sold to someone who actually wanted a ported saw.
He plans to refund the purchase as soon as he is able.
He want's people to know he is not JMS or Chainsaw Jim.
That is what he told me.

In my dealings, I would have made it right or offered a refund at the first problem.
I'm not sure how much time passed between the customer getting the saw and the lean seize, anything over thirty days would make me question the situation if I was the seller.

I have no dog in the fight and have dealt with John and Dave multiple times in the past and have been to GTGS with both.

Dave

Not that it's really by business but reputations are at stake here and it has gotten dragged into the public domain.
I'm having difficulty following along here...
Among other things...
How does the ported meteor cylinder pictured in post #3 fit in to all of this?
At the time of the sale were both parties aware that the saw consists of a substantial percentage of china clone parts?

Quoted two posts above. One with questions, one that generates more questions.
Ken’s first posts illustrate a ported Meteor cylinder with band cut. These pics are the original cylinder sent on the saw. This cylinder clearly hung a ring, pics of ring visible through spark plug hole and pics of spark plug prove that it was not a lean seize.
Hmmmmm.... Didn’t John say that Ken requested a non ported, stock cylinder and that’s what he sent?
Strange....
Shall I go on? I can...