IEL-Pioneer thread

[Ketchup]

Howdy fellas,

Can someone school me on P-series chain brakes? I wasted about an hour looking around the internet without definitive answers. I want one for a newly acquired p60. I have the original clutch cover in nice shape but it appears to have never had the brake parts. Are p-50 and up the only direct fit clutch covers? Are the brake parts interchangeable across all P-series? Are Farm-saw brakes different?
Looks like I’m about 7 years too late hunting these parts so any leads are appreciated as well.

Any and all info appreciated.

 

[jacob j.]

Howdy fellas,

Can someone school me on P-series chain brakes? I wasted about an hour looking around the internet without definitive answers. I want one for a newly acquired p60. I have the original clutch cover in nice shape but it appears to have never had the brake parts. Are p-50 and up the only direct fit clutch covers? Are the brake parts interchangeable across all P-series? Are Farm-saw brakes different?
Looks like I’m about 7 years too late hunting these parts so any leads are appreciated as well.

Any and all info appreciated.

The brake bands and return springs are the same across the P-series platforms from what I remember. The brake handles are different - the P-50/51/60/61 brake handles are the same, and I believe the later brake handles for P-42/52/62 are all the same. It wasn't common to see the larger Pioneers when new with brakes until after about late '80/early '81 (My dad bought of these saws new).

Chainsawr has many of the IPLs here: https://chainsawr.com/blogs/illustrated-part-lists/1119872-pioneer-illustrated-part-lists

 

[Ketchup]

Thanks, that’s what I needed. Looks like the original FarmSaw has mostly the same parts including the flag, but there are a few different parts. Same with p41. Once you move to pX2, the part numbers change, though the parts themselves look the same. This will definitely help with the hunt.
Thanks!

 

[mirage]

If I asked this before please except my apology. I need a cylinder for a p40 Pioneer. Can't find one .The part # is 430182. My question is will a cylinder from a P41 fit and work? Thank you for your time and effort.

 

[fossil]

If I asked this before please except my apology. I need a cylinder for a p40 Pioneer. Can't find one .The part # is 430182. My question is will a cylinder from a P41 fit and work? Thank you for your time and effort.

I don't think the the mounting bosses for the coils are the same.

 

[mirage]

Thank you very much for the information. It sure has been very hard to find a cylinder for this saw.

 

[fossil]

Thank you very much for the information. It sure has been very hard to find a cylinder for this saw.

Keep Looking. Take your time. P40's are worth it.

 

[old_sir_henry]

Last week I found a well preserved RA in german classified ads.
Bought her immediately and here she is:





She is not a model you'll find too often here in Germany. And quite heavy she is, about 13 kg, 1,5 kg more weight than my 650.
Need to change diaphragms and the chain is partially stiff due to corroded link rivets but thats all easy to fix.

I'm very happy with this beauty

 

[heimannm]

The older made in Canada saws had very classic styling.

cbfarmall gave me this RA for my display.





Mark

 

[old_sir_henry]

@mark: Your one looks like mint, mine is little more used, I guess.

But mine is made in Canada too, even in Vancouver and not Peterborough (I'm not sure if there are any RAs not manufactured in Vancouver):



The only thing missing is the footpeg and the scabbard. Even bar & chain are genuine Pioneer!

 

[old_sir_henry]

I found trying to start the RA without the footpeg extremely cumbersome. Somethimg must be done about it, so I got to my scrap metal box and found a 9 mm steel rod. Since the aperture for the footrest in the saw's starter holding clamps is about .25" I had to grind off the ends of the rod.



Then I fixed the rod in my vice and heated it pointedly with an acetylene torch and bent it into form.



The final footpeg mounted to the RA:



With it, it is very much more comfortable to start the saw, which BTW hasn't been successful yet. Still problems with the carb but that's for another post on another day.

 

[Basher]

@mark: Your one looks like mint, mine is little more used, I guess.

But mine is made in Canada too, even in Vancouver and not Peterborough (I'm not sure if there are any RAs not manufactured in Vancouver):

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The only thing missing is the footpeg and the scabbard. Even bar & chain are genuine Pioneer!

From all the literature I have come across the RA was the last of the sand cast saws all made in Vancouver, all the saws made after the move to Peterborough were die cast made models with the Pioneer 600 being the carry over from the RA model, these were my first saws that I got to run and own back in the later 50`s. The original RA we had on the farm is still with me and it is still running and cutting wood.

 

[old_sir_henry]

I have the RA running now, even cutting wood!
Had severe problems with the carb, I wasn't able to find a setting were the saw neither starved nor flooded but simply would run. Cleaning the carb I found the cone of L-needle being seriously corroded other than the very tip. That may or may not cause the problems, but I postponed that investigation since I then remembered the trick I used when the carb of my Pioneer 650 also prevented the saw from running: Swap the carb with a one from a DOLMAR CC. Venturi diameter and even the throttle linkage are identical, only the choke shaft I swapped form the Pioneer carb to have the handle on the right side beneath the carb's cover.


The not yet modified HL-99A from a Dolmar CC 109 built in for a test run.


Here I have swapped the choke shaft into the HL-99A.

With this setup the saw runs fine and cuts well.
Next steps were to clean up the oil tank and attach a new suction line the oil pump since the existing one was broken.

Finally here are my RA and my 650:

 

[Serioussam]

I picked this up at an estate sale for $25 cad , it was used as an ice saw .
I pretty much just grabbed it for the bar

 

[old_sir_henry]

I picked this up at an estate sale for $25 cad , it was used as an ice saw .

I don't know what an ice saw is used for (cutting ice I guess, but what kind of ice ?)
but if it were to cut wood the bar IMHO looks much too long for the powerhead's output.
Good catch anyway even if it only were for the bar. What model is the powerhead? Looks a bit like 11-60

 

[heimannm]

In some cased they still "harvest" ice from frozen rivers and lakes by sawing out large blocks to put in ice houses, commonly insulated with sawdust, as a way to keep temperatures down during the summer months. This is mostly for demonstrations (like a living museum) but in some communities it is still a method of refrigeration...

I think the more common reason for sawing holes in the ice is to allow for spear fishing which is still legal and somewhat popular in some areas.

I have a couple of ice saws on the back of my building for display. Ice saws have a much thicker, wider blade compared to a two man cross cut saw since the cutting is done on the push stroke rather than pull as it is with a cross cut saw.



Mark

 

[old_sir_henry]

Thanks for explaining!