17 Models available now of CCC Racing pistons by Wiseco

[Definitive Dave]

Does Wiseco give any recommendations?
Here's why I ask. (Yes, this is from a site that makes rings for 4 stroke engines but I believe it's still applicable and worthy of discussion.)
https://www.google.com/amp/blog.jepistons.com/piston-ring-materials-explained?hs_amp=trueView attachment 210088

hmmm... completely outside my area of knowledge, I dont even deal with the same guys at Wiseco who do bike and snowmobile pistons, its an entire different department, I deal with the special projects custom department. Just contact your local cycle shop who are Wiseco dealers and they should have the info you are looking for.

 

[Marshy]

hmmm... completely outside my area of knowledge, I dont even deal with the same guys at Wiseco who do bike and snowmobile pistons, its an entire different department, I deal with the special projects custom department. Just contact your local cycle shop who are Wiseco dealers and they should have the info you are looking for.

So they are a steel ring with chrome hard face?

 

[Lightning Performance]

So they are a steel ring with chrome hard face?

Some might be, some not. They decide based on application. I tried what I tried many moons ago. It didn't work.
DDave's posted link is a good read. Gets your head around the different packages available or custom made just for your program.

 

[Definitive Dave]

So they are a steel ring with chrome hard face?

the chainsaw rings are, Yes, made by NPR in Japan
any others they use for other purposes I am ignorant of

 

[Definitive Dave]

Some might be, some not. They decide based on application. I tried what I tried many moons ago. It didn't work.
DDave's posted link is a good read. Gets your head around the different packages available or custom made just for your program.

@Marshy 's link Kenny

 

[Lightning Performance]

@Marshy 's link Kenny

Lol....my bad.
Thinking about post and beam joints whilst reading about ring packages is not good, maybe, idk...

 

[wcorey]

So back to nikasil still being proprietary to Mahle...

Do they license it for use by other manufacturers?
Seems a lot of aftermarket brands/suppliers are claiming to sport nikasil bores and many do appear to have that gold hue...

 

[Marshy]

So back to nikasil still being proprietary to Mahle...

Do they license it for use by other manufacturers?
Seems a lot of aftermarket brands/suppliers are claiming to sport nikasil bores and many do appear to have that gold hue...

Good question because some of the Hyway cylinders on HL Supply claim to be Nikasil plated. Would be interesting to know of they are or not.

 

[Stihlms]

@Definitive Dave you got any 461 with pop ups?

 

[wcorey]

Did a few minutes of reading on nikasil, seems it is trademarked by Mahle but the process (nickel silicon carbide plating) is not proprietary and many companies are doing some version of it.
Mahle developed it in the late 60's so any patents would have run out long ago.

So I have to wonder why Stihl is using a different (and possibly inferior) process?

 

[Definitive Dave]

@Definitive Dave you got any 461 with pop ups?

Sorry nope no 461’s yet

 

[Definitive Dave]

Mahle wont license their proprietary formula to anyone else.
Totalseal told me Mahle is the best plating and that millenium is the best facility for re-plates
I just know what the guys at Mahle and totalseal told me. None of the aftermarkets jave real TM nikasil but use the name the way we refer to copiers as Xerox machines regardless of brand

 

[Deets066]

Mahle wont license their proprietary formula to anyone else.
Totalseal told me Mahle is the best plating and that millenium is the best facility for re-plates
I just know what the guys at Mahle and totalseal told me. None of the aftermarkets jave real TM nikasil but use the name the way we refer to copiers as Xerox machines regardless of brand

Milleniums plating is top notch, I haven’t seen any factory plating that comes close

 

[MG porting]

I'm sure I'm going to be kicked in the nuts for this one maybe but the nikasil platting the Mettor usese is some tuff stuff try flipping mushening the squish band on one of there cylinders and you'll want to jump on a flipping bare trap before you want to do another one.

 

[Stihlms]

4 more new models of Wiseco CCC Racing pistons available now
View attachment 205703
42mm 346xp OE pop up model
44.3mm 346xp NE pop up model
44.3mm 346xp NE flat top race model
45mm 346xp big bore pop up model

These four exclusive designs are available nowhere else just like all the other CCC Racing models

54mm MS660/066 pop up model
56mm MS660/066 big bore pop up model
56mm MS661 pop up model (2 versions)
58mm MS661 big bore pop up model
48mm 365 Special model
50mm 372XP model
51.7mm 372XPW model
52mm 372XP big bore model
52mm 181/281XP model (2 versions)
54mm 288xp model
62mm 3120XP big bore model

That's a total of 17 models and one more very soon

If you want one just send me a PM, any that are left will be added to the webstore and eBay store early next week.

pics of 44.3 pop up piston version
View attachment 205704 View attachment 205705

Those are very nice pistons Dave. Good job on this!

 

[Stump Shot]

Any plans for 046/460?

Not yet but someday

@Definitive Dave any news on the 046/460 piston progress?

 

[Definitive Dave]

@Definitive Dave any news on the 046/460 piston progress?

Waaay down the road at this point.
We have five models in production right now, hopefully all of them will be available within a few months. Then we will decide what models to work on next

 

[Stump Shot]

Waaay down the road at this point.
We have five models in production right now, hopefully all of them will be available within a few months. Then we will decide what models to work on next

Thanks for the update Dave, at least I can give my customer a "Definitive" answer.

 

[mettee]

What's coming up Dave just curious

 

[Definitive Dave]

395xp thin ring
A reorder of more of the MS660 1.2mm Caber ring style pistons, they sold out in just a few days on the first batch
A racing 1mm ring version for replated 066/MS660 54mm
272
A private order of 62mm non windowed pistons