064, 066 MS650, MS660 info thread

[RI Chevy]

Its Valentine's day,think I'll try a little p slot this morning.

Didn't work out.
O well

Lol. Could always try another hole. Lol
Just funnin here. [emoji23]

 

[Willard]

My first post here and this thread of Dave's got me wanting to join.
Real nice site here with a good vibe and with a few familiar names.
My whole life I made a living with a saw but I do like to pull wrenches on them, along with keeping up my hand filing skills.
Speaking of a 066 I have a 1996 066 (last year of the good ones) on my bench.
Sold my early redeye Mag Arctic to a carver recently, was a good old saw.

Now what's this about a 1988 066 introduced Down Under?

 

[RI Chevy]

Welcome! [emoji481]

 

[Dub11]

My first post here and this thread of Dave's got me wanting to join.
Real nice site here with a good vibe and with a few familiar names.
My whole life I made a living with a saw but I do like to pull wrenches on them, along with keeping up my hand filing skills.
Speaking of a 066 I have a 1997 066 (last year of the good ones) on my bench.
Sold my early redeye Mag Arctic to a carver recently, was a good old saw.

Now what's this about a 1988 066 introduced Down Under?

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[Willard]

Heys guys now to my question about a 066 introduced in 1988 as Dave's first post shows.
On another forum Niko SawTroll suggested a 066 was introduced in Australia/NZ in 1988. He talked about a PDF date but nothing was proved from what he displayed.
Anyways I see Dave's information on his first post shows it.

So I'm thinking if there was a 066 on sale in 1988 it would probably be a non digital ignition model.

I worked for Stihl Canada in 1989 as a technical services manager and I don't remember anything on a 066.
I sat in meetings and dinners with Hans Peter Stihl, Fred Whyte, Steve Meriam and there was no mention what so ever about a 066 model. All the emphasis was on the 064 and 044.
Now possibly this phantom 066 prior to its introduction in North America was a prototype?

Speaking of Daves, I knew alot of Daves at Stihl Canada. Most notably Dave Gordon who replaced me at our Edmonton branch when I went back to my old timber falling job.
Dave Buffy from the Winnipeg branch another I worked with.

 

[Dub11]

Heys guys now to my question about a 066 introduced in 1988 as Dave's first post shows.
On another forum Niko SawTroll suggested a 066 was introduced in Australia/NZ in 1988. He talked about a PDF date but nothing was proved from what he displayed.
Anyways I see Dave's information on his first post shows it.

So I'm thinking if there was a 066 on sale in 1988 it would probably be a non digital ignition model.

I worked for Stihl Canada in 1989 as a technical services manager and I don't remember anything on a 066.
I sat in meetings and dinners with Hans Peter Stihl, Fred Whyte, Steve Meriam and there was no mention what so ever about a 066 model. All the emphasis was on the 064 and 044.
Now possibly this phantom 066 prior to its introduction in North America was a prototype?

Speaking of Daves, I knew alot of Daves at Stihl Canada. Most notably Dave Gordon who replaced me at our Edmonton branch when I went back to my old timber falling job.
Dave Buffy from the Winnipeg branch another I worked with.

It sounds like your are the authority here on saw knowledge.

 

[Willard]

Far from it If I was I'd know if the Aussie's did have a 066 in 1988.

If I stuck with that job who knows where I'd be right now...biggest toughest decision I made leaving that company.
My boss Fred Whyte did well, retiring as president of Stihl USA. My branch manager Steve Meriam is presently still up in the top management of Stihl USA.
I can only say "thankyou again Fred and Steve for giving me the opportunity and sorry for letting you down!"

 

[Dub11]

Far from it If I was I'd know if the Aussie's did have a 066 in 1988.

If I stuck with that job who knows where I'd be right now...biggest toughest decision I made leaving that company.
My boss Fred Whyte did well, retiring as president of Stihl USA. My branch manager Steve Meriam is presently still up in the top management of Stihl USA.
I can only say "thankyou again Fred and Steve for giving me the opportunity and sorry for letting you down!"

Iam just thinking off the hip hear but the few Aussie members we have here talk about lack of parts and high price of replacement parts makes me think they may have not received a prototype 066. Just a thought.

 

[Willard]

Dub11, I know Stihl Australia supplies their market with saws we can't get here in North America like the MS380-382.
So yeah it's possible a 066 was available there in 1988 whether a regular production model or a prototype.
But the only 066 production dates I have is March 15 1991- Sept 15 2002.
MS660 Oct 15 2002-

 

[ppxstnr]

Just a note to anyone new to the 064. I've had mine several years and have done a bunch of different things to it, including blowing it up. The aftermarket cylinders should be approached with caution. I see a lot of e-bay cylinders that list all the 1122 saws as a fit for the cylinder. The only cylinders I know of that are direct bolt-on are NWP and the Cross. I tried one of the Hyway cylinders and the based bolt pattern is off. I new this going in from other saw people on other sites, but if you're not aware of this, an e-bay cylinder that says it fits may require some fitting. I'm pretty sure Brad and a few other Vets have put big bore cylinders on 064's by using 066 or 660 jugs, but fitting was required. The plus side is , the MMWS Cross comes in a 54mm configuration and is already ported. BTW, thanx Randy. Awesome product.

 

[laslabjohn]

Bump for a great threqd

 

[PogoInTheWoods]

Great info. Was searching for some early 066 coil to flywheel answers and just ran across this. Haven't sorted it all out yet, but did notice the omission of this coil in Dave's pic lineup. Not sure where this flywheel falls into the mix, either...., two part numbers depending on keyway used, but it only has one for the 'X' application.

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I have two 066's here with the same setups so it's unlikely someone swapped coils or flywheels on both. Both saws are no spark and these 1311's were evidently known for high failure rates and replaced by the 1314? @Jacobj seems to be an authoritative source of info on this subject as well, but I seem to recall him indicating that the 1314 coils were not used on aluminum flywheels, but my 066 IPL shows the 1314 coil and aluminum flywheels?

All I want is spark from the 'correct' unlimited coils with the high rpm timing advance for two 066's with aluminum X/P flywheels with only one (the 'X') keyway cut. Clear as mud? I understand the dumb 1300 coils aren't a desirable option and everything I Google seems to lead me in the 1314 or 'suitable replacement' direction. I can go OEM for $109 or AM for $18, though the AM coil from HLS says not for serial numbers 'before x 31 067 163 with metal flywheel' indicating it's for a poly flywheel saw (or an earlier aluminum flywheel saw?) The ones I have are both later serial numbers with aluminum flywheels and 1311 coils. Maybe more review of the tech bulletin will shine some light.

Any simple direction to a solution is highly desired. My head hurts from all the stuff I've read this morning and I just need it all dumbed down a little bit more. And my ISP is being rejected by eBay today, so shopping and comparing isn't going too well either.

Sorry for the ramble. The main point of the post was to contribute the coil and flywheel pics. Got a little carried away.

 

[PogoInTheWoods]

Ok. So here is yet another variant I need to figure out. I pulled this FW and coil off of my own early 066 for comparison to the other two. Different suffix on the part numbers with two keyways and a later style coil with no part number..., presumably a 1300 (IIDA). Now I need to figure out which keyway was used since the flywheel just popped off with the puller.

A note on this particular 066...

It's a seriously strong saw. I mean serious. I'm not 100% sure the coil and flywheel are matched according to all the possible variations, though. Occasionally this saw will act like it's way too advanced when trying to start it -- hot only. Maybe the coil that's on it is getting whacky. I dunno. Seems like there may be some advance already at play and that's why I'm wondering if the coil to flywheel combination is correct in the first place. Was a piece by piece project a few years ago vs. a rebuild, and I didn't know much back then except I had me an 066! Think I may have figured out which keyway to use from an old 064/066 shop manual.

More readin'....

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[PogoInTheWoods]

Yes sir. Use the "P" slot for the key.

What's the significance of the suffixes on the 1209 and 1214 numbered flywheels? Maybe the single and double keyways? Also looks like there would be 1209B somewhere in the mix as well.

 

[Mastermind]

What's the significance of the suffixes on the 1209 and 1214 numbered flywheels? Maybe the single and double keyways? Also looks like there would be 1209B somewhere in the mix as well.

I'm really not sure sir. That info is most likely buried in the tech bulletins.

 

[PogoInTheWoods]

Near as I can figure it must be for the keyway combinations. I'm dealing with the two flywheels pictured. After some more reading and reviewing the info earlier in this thread, it looks like my best (and possibly only realistic) bet is the simplest solution with a 0000-400-1300 coil to replace the 1311's. Just not sure about the keyway yet. 'P' for limited according to one of your earlier posts. 'X' for the unlimited dumb coil? I say 'dumb' because I've read that there is no 'smart' timing advance at high rpm with the 000-400-1300 coils?

 

[Mastermind]

Near as I can figure it must be for the keyway combinations. I'm dealing with the two flywheels pictured. After some more reading and reviewing the info earlier in this thread, it looks like my best (and possibly only realistic) bet is the simplest solution with a 0000-400-1300 coil to replace the 1311's. Just not sure about the keyway yet. 'P' for limited according to one of your earlier posts. 'X' for the unlimited dumb coil? I say 'dumb' because I've read that there is no 'smart' timing advance at high rpm with the 000-400-1300 coils?

Advance is really not the correct term here I don't think.

What is more appropriate is to say the 1300 coil has no retard mode.

Total advance can be set by filing a bit off the key, and performance is the same really.

 

[PogoInTheWoods]

There was a thread on AS where JJ went into some detail about it regarding the coils for the poly flywheels and also some of em on the smaller still saws. Retarded timing for easier starting was in the mix as well, so I'm sure I misunderstood just about all of it!

 

[maulhead]

Not sure if this means anything, but last night before I went to bed... I got to wondering what flywheel was on this 066 I picked up 6 months ago.... as a parts saw.

So I pulled the flywheel off... I think this is good, No?

 

[PogoInTheWoods]

I think this is good, No?

Depends on the coil. LOL Would still like to know what the suffixes are about..., and why two part numbers in the first place.

Just tried two different 0000-400-1300 coils (according to Dave's pics) with the 1122-400-1214B / 1209C flywheel keyed in the X position. First one is off of my 066 and immediately behaved exactly like it does on my saw after mine has run for awhile. Started up and revved great like an 066 should. Shut it down to restart it and couldn't pull it over even with the decomp due to what is evidently some kind of a random timing advance after the coil has seen some heavy magnetism. (pulls over just fine with the kill switch on)

Tried what was supposed to be another 0000-400-1300 from an 034 (according to the IPL and Dave's pics) and it fired right up but wouldn't rev to save its ass. Bogged badly with even a little pull on the trigger and finally just quit and wouldn't restart. Probably flooded it.

Sooooo... two different 0000-400-1300 universal coils essentially didn't work correctly with a 1122-400-1214 /1209 flywheel keyed in the X position that originally had a 1311 coil. Still wonder about those damned suffixes.

Also don't see the 1214/1209 combo listed in the flywheel to coil matrix from Canadian Farm Boy.

Guess I need to find someone with the magic tech bulletin to explain all this in a bit more detail than what has already been presented unless the 0000-400-1300 is actually supposed to work and I just happen to have two lemons...which is highly unlikely.

Need some more input here, folks!