My ms 400 as no issue with a 25-28” muffler mod and timing advance is all that’s done.
I spent the afternoon felling trees on a hill side with the 562 I built with a little port work and compression along with a muffler mod. Also have machine shop capabilities, but this saw got a "thin" gasket ( .010" vs. the stock .030") instead. It wears a 28inch Husqvarna Light ( Sugihara ). USUALLY it doesn't make the camera as usually project or hobby saws get the camera time. Today I took a little. Maybe I'll post it up. Todays task was a mix of soft & hard maple. A couple in the 25-28 inch range and a few in the 20inch. I've run the 28 now for a year. WHEN this job is done & I'm "back to normal" the 562 will get it's full wrap back and a light 24 inch B&C
Why spend over a grand when I can get even better performance for under $500? Of course not everyone has the shop , tools, or skills. But I have fun. I think eventually I'll build a 461, I like them. And they are rugged.
So you have some tricks to get the version 1 562’s running properly and to hot start? I know a couple guys that have them and I’ve already put heat tape on the carb cylinder divider and put screened vents on air cleaner cover which has helped but still not perfect yet.The 562 is that for me, and has proven to be an excellent platform over the years to build from. And I can get them cheap from those who drank the coolaid around here so prolly the best bang per buck possible for building a really snappy 60cc saw. I get them in running condition for in the $350 range, add a thin gasket & muffler mod. All elbow grease; with a little tactical grinding and they really rip. Run cooler as well. The blown up ones for $100--150. I did lot of testing years back with CST to "hone" what I could get away with. The operating history with carb mixture data & temp data was really helpful to get the build right AND reliable. Wouldn't sell or trade those saws for anything. For that matter I've been collecting "bones" as that platform has been around since 2011...and pretty much everything can be upgraded with a short block and then my tweaks. Short blocks with the new cases are in the $200 range or were retail. I didn't pay that much but even then its a cheep way to radically improve the early ones.
So far I haven't experienced the hot start issue on the saw's I've build....all the way back to 2014 when I first did those tweaks. So that has been a non issue for me. I can't say if it was the mods or the climate, fuel, or what , just that I haven't had them. The saws that went thru the shop before I "retired" and I keep track of, those guys haven't complained either. Even the ones where the fuel line comes thru the "baffle". So I can't say they are fixed for a climate like Texas or somewhere south. So... I don't have an answer other than my experiences. The newer ones should be better yet. I would prefer the New carb/fuel line layout for sure. Jury is out on the new bearing/seal arrangement for me. Time will tell. I have a build I'm doing this winter blending a pre 2016 to a new case. Funny how I see all the drama on line and how it matches up with my experience. You know the ONLY true catastrophic failure I have seen n a 562? One that surprised me.... a spark plug dropped it's tip and beat the chit outa everything inside. The CYLINDER walls were fine. The combustion chamber....and case in around the lower transfers...dimpled. Put a piston in it for kicks ( guy wanted to see as well ). It's still out there as a skidder saw and actually RUNS.
Figured the best way to discuss is to actually do vs. talk. I'm more into less drama, more fun. AND empirical data vs. second hand hear say. Tends to keep the conversation "clear" hands on data talks more to me than text I guess. One thing is I love the negative commentary on the 562's because the bones I get I can reference the online commentary and negotiate I've been getting them CHEEEP. Hoping to find some dead 565/572's. I can't seem to find any locally and the ones who have some "hurt" won't part with them. NO idea why. They have been around long enough for the bones from loggers to exist.
I’d like to find some 565/72’s too but can’t either. I really like them, easy to work on and run fantastic, you’d think there’d be some eBay but none seem to pop upYesterday
BUT the theme of this thread was "bang per buck" AND this actually is in the same spirit as the 395 clones.... getting bones cheap and building fun but useful saws for a FRACTION of the cost those who follow the typical fad of the year spend to get the same level of performance. So this week I'll run the tired old 2014 562 and finish one job, start another I guess. I may have $300 into that saw total from bones to parts. This job will net close to 4K. So the Project 394 to 395's $150 in parts will certainly b covered. And the $300 in the 562 as well...although its been paid for many times over already. MIGHT treat myself to a 585 for a project saw with this log check. Another bang per buck saw. With a CARBURETOR!
I live in mn and the guys I know have had the hot start issues, I’ve rebuilt one because the locater pin came out of the piston and trashed it but he still loves the 562 he has 3 of them fills all three when cutting firewood and runs them till empty one at a time and when the 3 rd one’s empty the first one is cold enough to start again. The other guy I did the heat tape and venting for pretty much parked his and it backs up his ms400.
A large muffler mod is a must on them, the baffles need some major work. I’ve found that to help the most. I have 2 2260’s and a 2260 without stuffers that I put together from a 58. I’m like Walt and have not experienced any hot start issues either, even on 90 degree days in the summer. You’ve seen my mufflers so you know what I’m talking about. Not sure if that’s why I haven’t had any problems or not. I have had hot start issue with my 2253 once. Probably not a practical thing to do but if you don’t run it till runs completely out of fuel before refueling helps, give it a little cool down before shutting off helps a bunch, that’s how I prevent the issue with my 53
