@Locust Cutter my friend. Thank you for adding much needed perspective to this discussion.
This is definitely an interesting conversation. I thought that the thing Terry mentioned about fake veterans was particularly interesting. I guess it makes sense that people are out there pretending to be vets, but I guess I'd never thought of it. I did try googling it to see if there was any info on numbers of these fake vets, but couldn't find anything.
Also, I want to briefly stick up for millennials and lumbersexuals. First, I'm a millennial (born 10/1986).
@jake wells is too. I know there's worthless members of my generation. Plenty of them. There's also a damned lot of hard-working men and women of this generation. Kinda like all the other generations. Does our generation feel more entitled to things than previous generations? I don't know, maybe. Maybe not. For better or worse, things are different now than they were forty years ago. There aren't very many jobs a kid can get right outta high school that will put food on the table, make car payments, pay a mortgage, and also offer a pension. I know that's not how everyone worked their way through life, and I know that some those pensions withered up. I'm just saying that we've got a lot fewer decent paying jobs and a lot more service jobs now than a generation ago. Do kids feel "entitled" to a good job? Sure a lot of them probably do. Do baby-boomers take their paid-off houses and pensions earned from years of working a decent paying job for granted? I think a lot probably do. I know there's no way to arrange this, but I think if a 25 year old kid could see wear working a line at a Ford plant 30 years ago was like, and a retired auto worker could see what a job at Target feels like when you're staring down $50,000 of student loans feels like, I think all parties would gain a little understanding of each other.
Again, I know there's tons factors in all this chit, and we're all responsible for our own choices. I just think that it's good to use caution when making judgements of others. I want to point out that even though you see some pasty millennial video gamer complaining that all the tech jobs are taken, he doesn't represent the lot of us.
About lumber sexuals, I think that those guys look silly, sure. But hey, if you wanna wear plaid and grow a beard, go ahead, this is America. It's hardly the first time people have dressed up like a different demographic as a style choice. I think pretending to be a lumberjack is a lot less offensive than pretending to be a Vietnam vet, and you know who's doing that? Not millennials...