What oil is best? and what ratio?

[3browns]

The additive is called a diluent and is a good thing when mixing gas in cold temps. Most often its called naphtha or stoddard solvent on the MSDS. Its worth noting that many different products are called naphtha and Stoddard solvent. All the way from gasoline range hydro carbons to kerosene.

Thanks Ben

 

[andyshine77]

Schaeffer's 7000 is an ashless TCW3 boat oil. Schaeffer's doesnt even reccomend this oil be used in air cooled applications.
I ran some in a Lawnboy mower which does reccomend an ashless TCW3 type oil and wasnt real impressed. For starters it smells terrible.
What's wrong with using the correct type of oil for your particular application?
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It's hard to overlook the apparent excellent results with that oil. Spec sheets only matter so much IMHO.

 

[bwalker]

It's hard to overlook the apparent excellent results with that oil. Spec sheets only matter so much IMHO.

A picture of the head tells me nothing. What do the ring lands look like? What are the long term results? The saw MFG and the oil MFG both say not to use it in a saw.
I had a logger friend that ran Walmart Super tech outboard oil in all his saws. He got decent results with some but others died a early death. Honestly I dont see the attraction of running an outboard oil in your OPE.

 

[lehman live edge slab]

I believe spec sheets mean a lot when the oil company says “do not use in air cooled engines that require jasco fb, fc or fd/api tc. If the company says not to than why would I, must be some reason or they wouldn’t say buy something else. Company wants to make money and not turn sales down. I try to personally stick with jasco fd or iso leg-d.

 

[Clemsonfor]

A picture of the head tells me nothing. What do the ring lands look like? What are the long term results? The saw MFG and the oil MFG both say not to use it in a saw.
I had a logger friend that ran Walmart Super tech outboard oil in all his saws. He got decent results with some but others died a early death. Honestly I dont see the attraction of running an outboard oil in your OPE.

Best post in awhile.

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[Redbull661]

Schaeffer's 7000 is an ashless TCW3 boat oil. Schaeffer's doesnt even reccomend this oil be used in air cooled applications.
I ran some in a Lawnboy mower which does reccomend an ashless TCW3 type oil and wasnt real impressed. For starters it smells terrible.
What's wrong with using the correct type of oil for your particular application?

Well I don't know what to tell ya. Scott been using Schaeffer 7000 32:1 for 20+ years now in EVERY 2 stroke he's owned, worked on, ported, test run. With ZERO failures. Schaeffer 7000 is all he uses. Pump gas and 7000 mixed 32:1.

I've been using it for a few years now and it's the cleanest oil by far to run in the 661 mtronic.

We've had an ported 084 at 14,600rpm with it. We've had a race 461 turning nearly 17000 rpm with it.

Here is Scott's personal ported 440...

So again I don't know what to tell ya... thing for me is it runs all these 2 strokes fine, BUT it's the cleanest of all the oil's I've run tested etc.

 

[bwalker]

Well I don't know what to tell ya. Scott been using Schaeffer 7000 32:1 for 20+ years now in EVERY 2 stroke he's owned, worked on, ported, test run. With ZERO failures. Schaeffer 7000 is all he uses. Pump gas and 7000 mixed 32:1.

I've been using it for a few years now and it's the cleanest oil by far to run in the 661 mtronic.

We've had an ported 084 at 14,600rpm with it. We've had a race 461 turning nearly 17000 rpm with it.

Here is Scott's personal ported 440...

So again I don't know what to tell ya... thing for me is it runs all these 2 strokes fine, BUT it's the cleanest of all the oil's I've run tested etc.

I'd like to know how Scott documented 1000 hours on that 044. And that muffler looks like crap.
Just because one guy has being doing the wrong thing with no apparent issues doesnt prove squat.

 

[bwalker]

Btw I just tore into my CR500 today which has been running Klotz Super Techniplate for some time. The head was spotless as was the exhaust port and that's dirty stuff. Should everyone use this stuff? I've gotten excellant results in this particular motor.

 

[andyshine77]

I prefer running an approved oil as well. That said, the results that have been provided here, tells me it's pretty conclusive that the oil is fine to run in a chainsaw, even if I prefer to run something else for my own reasons.[emoji111]

 

[bwalker]

I prefer running an approved oil as well. That said, the results that have been provided here, tells me it's pretty conclusive that the oil is fine to run in a chainsaw, even if I prefer to run something else for my own reasons.[emoji111]

It's not a matter of running an approved oil.. both Schaeffers and the OPE OEM's say not to run the stuff.
You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink.
And what results? A very limited, unscientific "test". And a saw that's claimed to have 1000 hours on it. That's pretty damn scant evidence of anything.

 

[3browns]

It's not a matter of running an approved oil.. both Schaeffers and the OPE OEM's say not to run the stuff.
You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink.
And what results? A very limited, unscientific "test". And a saw that's claimed to have 1000 hours on it. That's pretty damn scant evidence of anything.

I know absolutely zero about the newer breed of electronic controlled saws

Do the onboard electronics keep track of runtime and if so is that downloadable for statistical purposes?

Just thinking until someone puts an hour meter on saws or has another means of gathering, storing, and passing on electronic info to the user we are essentially left with opinion and anecdotal evidence to analyze and quantify the performance of saws, chains, oils, etc

I'm sure that there are people out there who keep detailed logs of time, cords cut, etc but I am sure there are others like me that can only break down usage into best guesses

Not trying to start a fight and not taking sides

Just pointing out that it's not always easily to quantify data and results and we frequently are left with taking the word for what has worked or not worked by acknowledged specialists in this crazy chainsaw world

 

[Cat 525]

Aw! Everyone should run what they want at the mix ratio they are comfortable with! If it's working for them and they like the smell! Just same as choosing a blonde, redhead or brunette! Enjoy your choice!

 

[andyshine77]

Aw! Everyone should run what they want at the mix ratio they are comfortable with! If it's working for them and they like the smell! Just same as choosing a blonde, redhead or brunette! Enjoy your choice!

Exactly. Some take things way too seriously.[emoji111]

 

[lehman live edge slab]

I wasn’t trying to start anything either just stating my opinion. I have know plenty of people that ran whatever tcw3 oil that was cheapest on that day, and their old homelite, stihl, husky or brand x all ran and cut wood. I just am of the thought if the saw and oil company say don’t use I just am not going to use. Tons and tons of approved oils and they aren’t that expensive. The no smoke 2 stroke is 1.19$/gallon mix bottle up here and it’s jasco fd rated.

 

[Redbull661]

I'd like to know how Scott documented 1000 hours on that 044. And that muffler looks like crap.
Just because one guy has being doing the wrong thing with no apparent issues doesnt prove squat.

Well if you watched the video - He ordered the saw new in 2001 and ported it. Did full time logging 6 months out of the year for 12 years with it. So 6 mo = 26 weeks x 40hrs a week = 1040hrs x 12 yrs = 12,480 hrs. So yeah I do think saying 1,000+ hrs of run time is a pretty fair and conservative estimate.

And let me be clear. I am not endorsing the use of tcw3 oil in chainsaws. I think schaeffers 7000 is a special exception. And if after seeing all the results someone is still scared of the tcw3 on the 7000 bottle, then run their full syn 9000 2T. Which is still cleaner than anything else I've encountered.

 

[RI Chevy]

It may have been discussed a hundred times on here by now, but what makes a TCW3 oil no good for air cooled 2 stroke engines?

 

[Clemsonfor]

It may have been discussed a hundred times on here by now, but what makes a TCW3 oil no good for air cooled 2 stroke engines?

Temperature ranges they are designed to operate at. Boat motors are water cooled and therefore operate much cooler than you running your air cooled chainsaw in the summer in 100f milling lumber. Theory is it may not stick around as long running boat oil in a saw since it's designed to run at cooler temps, ie vaporize.

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[RI Chevy]

Ahhh. OK. TY. [emoji106]

 

[cus_deluxe]

Aw! Everyone should run what they want at the mix ratio they are comfortable with! If it's working for them and they like the smell! Just same as choosing a blonde, redhead or brunette! Enjoy your choice!

Couldnt agree more.

 

[bwalker]

Well if you watched the video - He ordered the saw new in 2001 and ported it. Did full time logging 6 months out of the year for 12 years with it. So 6 mo = 26 weeks x 40hrs a week = 1040hrs x 12 yrs = 12,480 hrs. So yeah I do think saying 1,000+ hrs of run time is a pretty fair and conservative estimate.

And let me be clear. I am not endorsing the use of tcw3 oil in chainsaws. I think schaeffers 7000 is a special exception. And if after seeing all the results someone is still scared of the tcw3 on the 7000 bottle, then run their full syn 9000 2T. Which is still cleaner than anything else I've encountered.

Your assuming the saw was run 40 hours a week.
When I logged no one I am aware of got 12 years out of a saw or even close to it no matter he much it was babied. And no logger runs a saw for 8 hours straight.
And FWIW Schaeffers says to use 9000 in TCW3 applications as well.
Do you really think a small bath tub blender like Schaeffers is really onto something that makes there products measurably better than everyone else? They dont wven have the means to produce their own base oils or additives.